S4E33: The Milking Coach Interview

[00:00:22] This is Demystifying Gay Porn. My name is Ike Grande, and if you watch gay porn, I've definitely helped you get off. And the gentleman that is my guest today has also helped people get off. Content creators, has helped models, and you if you watch his stuff, of course.

[00:00:36] The Milking Coach, you are a producer and a content creator in your own right. How are you? I'm good. Yeah? How are you?

[00:00:43] I'm well, thank you. I'm well. I just, you know, I did that trek back from the Best Buy really, really quick. You know how it is, technical difficulties. And New York is moist. You are in New York. Yes.

[00:00:53] Right? You're in Brooklyn. What are you doing? What do you plan on doing in New York while you're here? Well, it's a work trip. So I'm filming. Filming with different guys for my platforms. Okay. So yeah, it's going to be a full trip.

[00:01:06] So your platform is very, very interesting. It's so many different things, in my opinion. It's a combination of bodywork. It's a combination of so many things.

[00:01:16] How did you come about being called The Milking Coach? And yeah, let's start with that. How did you come about the Milking Coach?

[00:01:22] Well, so I've been milking for about a decade. Started out as a full-time hobby when I was living in Los Angeles. I had a full-time job, all that good stuff. So it was a hobby.

[00:01:34] And then when I decided to move back home to Atlanta, Georgia, I decided to kind of take the step and make it my business. I started on Tumblr, then to Xtube, which was a ton of fun. I actually miss that platform a lot.

[00:01:50] Yeah, that was a good platform. Yeah. And then started the fan sites. And I was really lucky when I started out because I had so much content that I'd filmed. And then I just got models to agree to let me sell it. So yeah, that's how it started.

[00:02:11] So you mentioned LA. You were out in LA for a while. For 20 years. Okay, so for 20 years. What brought you to LA?

[00:02:18] I was in the entertainment industry. Actually, TV, film and music, all three. Started out at TCM in Atlanta before I moved to LA. So I stayed in the TV realm at WBTV. And then moved into music. Worked at the Grammys for a decade, which was fun. And then moved to the Oscars for a couple years.

[00:02:43] So you were doing live production, live event production? I was doing live event production and digital marketing. Yeah. What made you leave event production?

[00:02:54] You know, I'm not a great schmoozer. And I'm not great at blowing smoke up people's butts. You know what I mean? It's, it's, I could do it there and I acted that part, but wasn't really me. So I left the industry, left LA, went back home, was planning to continue film work.

[00:03:21] I had possibilities of interviews at studios in Atlanta, because there's a lot of shooting there. But I was like, I really want to work for the man right now. And luckily, like the X tube stuff took off. And yeah, I figured I can just take the big step and see if I can make it a go.

[00:03:42] For listeners who don't know what milking is, can you describe what it is you actually do in a session when you're with, it wasn't models before. It was just kind of guys you met, right?

[00:03:53] Right. I call them my cock stars. The local guys that I made cock stars. Yeah. So milking is a really slow, deliberate way to extract semen. I know that sounds technical, but... Very technical, but I love it.

[00:04:10] But it's hot too. You know, using different types of pressures, different movements, different positions. I'm also into BDSM. So I include that with a lot of my sessions. I love tag teaming with other doms who kind of bring their skills into the mix. I love that kind of partnership. Yeah. So it's, it's an elevated hand job, let's say.

[00:04:37] It goes along with edging. Yes. Okay. Yes. I definitely include that. I'm an edging milker. Okay.

[00:04:44] So there are milkers who just are there to extract semen, like, you know, as many loads as they can get quickly. I like to take my time. I'm one of those guys that likes the journey. I love the end result, but I really love the journey to get there.

[00:05:00] So the journey would be you, the model or the person that you're milking. What attracted you to this? Like, how did you get, how did you first realize, hey, I'm really good at this and I want to be a milker?

[00:05:15] Since I was really young, I've been obsessed with cock. Okay.

[00:05:45] And the snow's up to your waist. What are you going to do? So at an all guys boarding school, I was able to talk some straight seniors into that. I have, I do have a gift of talking men out of their pants.

[00:06:01] Interesting. Okay. And they were, they were more than game? They were. Okay. Yeah. How long did it take you to work up to the level of milking that you do now? So about 10 years, 11 years ago, I had just won a battle against cancer. Okay.

[00:06:19] And I was there, I was thinking, you know, what brings me pleasure? What really pushes my button and it's controlling men's orgasms. So, and again, matched with the obsession for penis. It's a good match. Yeah, good match.

[00:06:37] So it was, it was kind of natural for me to, um, to really just focus on that and bringing, you know, uh, I think my earlier motto was like giving men the best orgasms they can have.

[00:06:52] And I've stayed true to that, even, even filming, you know, I still love what I do. So yeah, it was just years and years of stroking and seeing how I could read, you know, the person or the bowl. I call the men I work with bowls. Okay.

[00:07:12] Um, you know, see how I see the pleasure that it's bringing them and kind of learn the body language, all that good stuff. And then in 2015, I was milking this, uh, friend of mine who's older than I am.

[00:07:28] And in the middle, he said, Whoa, whoa, whoa, daddy, daddy, you got to slow down. I was like, Whoa, I'm not a daddy. You're older than I am. And right away without missing a beat. He said, Oh, sorry, coach.

[00:07:39] So as soon as he said that without missing a beat, I was like, Oh yeah, I'm coach. The milking coach. So that's where the name came from. The coach came from.

[00:07:48] I noticed that some of your videos have masks for, is that with everything that you do involve in a milking session? Do you, is there an element of ASMR or is there an element of just like, um, deprivation? Is that what they call it? Yes. Yeah. Okay.

[00:08:07] Um, I would love to get into more ASMR stuff because, um, that's actually what turns me on. I'm, I'm not great at watching my own scenes because I'm in them, but the sound alone can get me off and I love that.

[00:08:24] But yeah, that, so the masks and the hoods are for that. I do work with guys who are not models. You know, they need to, we need to keep the identity safe.

[00:08:36] So it's kind of dual purpose, but, um, I'd love to get into more deprivation, you know, big headphones, you know, um, I've done like some scenes with gas masks, that sort of thing. It's, it's pretty hot. Yeah.

[00:08:53] Let's talk a little bit about, you said you grew up in New York and a boarding school. Yes. I went to boarding school in New York. Yeah. So you loved cock before you even said the word gay.

[00:09:04] So I dated women until I turned 21 and it was actually my 21st birthday. Um, friends of mine in college took me out and I met a guy, uh, at this bar, 21st birthday. And, um, uh, of course I'd messed around with guys before, but I call myself bisexual.

[00:09:27] Um, and just fell in love, but it was, I guess, just the realization. It was like, this is what I prefer. This is what, this is the intimacy I want. This is, this is it for me. Um, and, uh, and then I met my husband right after college.

[00:09:47] And then, uh, we celebrated 30 years together last year. Very nice. Great supportive guy, you know? Um, but it is funny because I'm an independent soul. So at school, you know, had my own dorm in college.

[00:10:03] I worked at the school so I could have my own dorm, my own room. And then right after college met my future husband and, you know, it's like so long independent. But you guys have your own space. Yeah.

[00:10:18] And I'm sure, and he's cool with you and what you do. Yeah. Okay. Especially now that I'm earning money. So yeah. How can you say no to that? Yeah. What I'm curious. So you grew up in Atlanta too. Yep. Okay. And Atlanta is home. Yes.

[00:10:35] What was it like going back to Atlanta or growing up in Atlanta, um, with feelings for other men? Even if you couldn't describe what it was. Yeah. Um, you know, I always say I kind of had it easy in that respect.

[00:10:52] I was kind of the class clown in, you know, um, middle school. I think that was a way to avoid getting bullied because that was, that was definitely a huge thing where I went to school.

[00:11:05] Um, and I could see, you know, um, smaller guys who had to kind of fight that off. I was tall for my age back then. So I didn't have, there wasn't as much bullying. And again, trying to crack people up all the time that kind of helped.

[00:11:20] Um, I think though there was more confusion in college. Like I said, before I was 21, I was dating a girl and a guy. I mean, not really dating, but, but messing around with. So it was a little more indecisive then.

[00:11:38] And this is all in this, you know, I went to college in Virginia. So this is all still the South. Um, but I never, I never really experienced the Southern, um, repression that I know a lot of guys experienced. I was, I think pretty lucky growing up.

[00:11:57] We said off camera, but when did you make your way up to New York? Because this isn't, well, you've been here to shoot content and stuff and you've come to visit, but you actually lived in New York.

[00:12:08] Yes. So I lived in, uh, for boarding school for three years. I was in upstate New York and then I came back, um, a year later to do a semester at Tisch school of the arts.

[00:12:22] So I was like living right on Washington square for a full summer, which was an experience. Yeah. A lot of people. Yeah. And it was, you know, because of some Tisch, very creative group. And, uh, I met a lot of great creatives who also liked being milked.

[00:12:40] So that was fun. That's interesting too. And I have a question and I know you probably can't respond or, but I mean, working, working in the motion picture industry, working in the Grammys, where have you milked? Yes. Oh God. I would love. I love, I know.

[00:12:56] TV, film, um, movies, sports, athletes, politicians, uh, weathermen. Um, yeah. So you've had your fair share of the entertainment industry. There are some names you would know. God. And you're going to take it with you.

[00:13:19] No, I wouldn't. I can't. I can't. But it's just interesting, you know, cause I know I always feel like there's a subway station underneath life. Uh, the subway station of life just includes the facade that you see and then everything everybody loves. Yeah.

[00:13:34] You know, and I wish that kind of would just come up and everybody would stop living double lives. And I wish I too. And I know a lot of, I have a lot of sex worker friends. Um, so I've heard stories from them too.

[00:13:45] Um, it's interesting because I've been asked this before about celebrities and stuff and it's, I never experienced anyone who gave me an NDA or anything.

[00:13:56] It was just kind of a common, you know, you don't really talk about it, but I was never told or never like, no, you're not going to say anything are you? It was just, you know, I think they could tell I had integrity.

[00:14:08] And then plus if that happens to you kind of have to expect that if you do release that kind of information, they talk too and you'll lose work with that clientele.

[00:14:20] I know that for a fact with politicians, you know, there's definitely a lot of shit going on in DC that's not politics. And I know some sex workers too that are like, oh yeah, this person, that person. Very interesting.

[00:14:36] So you've been doing, you've been on your platform for six years, right? Or close to six years now. Okay. Yes. What, uh, what, what has your experience been like as a OnlyFans star, JustForFans, are you on JustForFans as well?

[00:14:52] Yeah. So you use all of the platforms that are available to you? Just OnlyFans. JustOnlyFans. Yeah. Okay. So those are the biggies that you use. Okay. What is, what has your experience been like there?

[00:15:03] Pretty good overall. I think sometimes there's a, there's kind of an imbalance of like what's doing better, what's done, which is interesting because they both get the same content. Although OnlyFans took down about a hundred of my videos because there were poppers.

[00:15:19] I did a couple of water sports scenes and last year I had kind of a brief foray into fisting. So those aren't available on OnlyFans. Everything's at JustForFans. Yeah. It's been interesting. I think JustForFans has some good marketing tools for content creators that maybe they don't know about.

[00:15:36] Um, but it's also really busy sites. So, you know, you gotta figure out what you're doing and, um, how you want to reach your audience. Do you find you got into it at the right time? Yes. Okay.

[00:15:49] I think it's, you know, because you see so many sites come up and like I said earlier, I had a backlog of content at a ton of stuff.

[00:15:59] Um, so when I started, I already had like a ton of uploads, you know, had a ton of videos, had about, you know, two, 5300 videos. Wow. So that's, that's a great way to start a fan site as opposed to building it from the ground up.

[00:16:16] You know, that can take a while to get traction. And your videos are sessions, right? So they go, they're like anywhere between 10 to... 15 to two hours. Okay. All right. So when people are signing in, they're not getting four minute videos. No. It's a thing. And that's another thing.

[00:16:34] That drives me crazy because I'm a fan too. I'm, I'm a huge porn fan and milking fan. You know, there are a lot of milkers out there now.

[00:16:41] So yeah, I'm always like if I sign up for a site and they're like, you know, two minutes to three minutes, you know. Yeah, that sucks. I'm like, hmm. Or they make you pay. Yeah. In messages and stuff. Oh, PPV.

[00:16:53] Yeah. When you do sessions, as I mentioned it already touched on it a little bit before, but it's, you're, you're basically doing body work. Yes. What kind of toll does that take on your body? That's a really good question. Cause body work is.

[00:17:09] Really good question. And I'm not, you know, I'm 53. I'm not the youngest content creator out there. I didn't get started till my forties.

[00:17:17] So yeah, I have to watch that. My back especially. But I do a lot of work on it with a table, with a massage table at home.

[00:17:30] So there's not a lot of bending over that sort of thing. That's really the back is the, the thing I have to watch out for.

[00:17:38] Yeah. There was a session that I saw and there's a couple of them and you got, you got the guys right here and you're reaching over. So I've, I've probably given a hand job like that. And I lasted all but three to five minutes.

[00:17:51] I mean, he blew that quick, but still at the same time, it's like, God, you know, that's a lot of work. So I, I just imagined that I did want to know because that's something that I don't think people take into consideration.

[00:18:02] Yeah. Do this. Yeah. So for your longer sessions, you are well prepared for that. Like you're not. Yes. Okay. Yes. Do you do any, but I love, you know, you were just describing kind of the reach around stuff.

[00:18:12] And I love that because I love the intimacy that that creates even on camera. It's like, you know, I'm really into it. And you can see in some of my videos where you can tell I've like completely forgotten about the camera.

[00:18:25] You know, I'm so into it, but I love that again. It's the obsession with cock and it's like any, you know, all sizes. So that kind of takes over, you know, and then sometimes I'll pay for that, you know, afterwards.

[00:18:41] But yeah, you're right. You get into that position because you know, it's going to work. Later on, you're like, oh, have you had any challenges, like great challenges when it came to a session? So I do work with some edgers who, you know, edge in their private life.

[00:19:00] So it can take them longer to come just because they've trained themselves that way. It's sort of working with that mentality to kind of, you know, they're not used to coming a lot. They can hold their loads for a while.

[00:19:14] I, of course, I love the journey, but I do love the ending. Yeah, you want to get there like a big ending. So, you know, it's what other buttons kind of pushes that the nipples is at the prostate. Is it, you know, the taint, all that good stuff.

[00:19:29] Does that answer your question? Yeah, but it's also because I think about it too. When you do find that you keep playing on it, right? Oh, here it is. I got it. Yes. I mean, I can tell you this stuff beforehand, right?

[00:19:41] You figure this out in front of the camera. Yes. That's really cool. Yeah. Are you amazed at the amount of men that are into getting milked? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because I've never until I came across you. There's a couple of other, there's a tantric guy.

[00:19:56] I think there's a couple of guys that have reached out. But until I came across you, I've never. Have you worked at Sam Bridle? Yes. Okay. So that's I think where I saw. That's the two-hour session. Okay. Referring to. Okay. That's the only one that's two hours. Yeah.

[00:20:16] That, and it's. It's epic. Yeah. So that's the one I think I saw you in. It's amazing how many people are into milking. How did you feel when you found that there were this many men that kind of just were into it?

[00:20:30] And were you bombarded by them when they did find your material? I wish I was bombarded more.

[00:20:37] No, I, you know, it was interesting to me because I think when you're a fan of porn, you think all the porn stars are just into fucking just in a penetrative sex. And if I can't tell you just a quick story.

[00:20:52] So when I was when I was in L.A. before I started filming, I was milking porn stars, which was a lot of fun. And these were stars. I'm not. We're talking that lightly. Yeah.

[00:21:04] But I used to have a Craigslist ad that I would run when I was doing as a hobby. And actually, I had a ton of straight guys, too. I mean, more straight guys than gay or or living straight lifestyles. You know, it's porn star found the ad.

[00:21:19] We had a great session and he told all of his friends in San Francisco because they work in San Francisco and lived in West Hollywood. At least these guys did from a big studio. I don't know if I should mention the studio, but it's a big one.

[00:21:33] But all these guys, there were six guys altogether and I would milk them on the weekends or. And it was, again, pre filming. I wish I had the camera back then, though. Yeah, I know. But I was surprised because they were so into it. They loved it.

[00:21:52] And I realized I was like their day off filming fucking all the time. They were, you know, wanted some me time. I think it's predominantly service. You're OK, so they sit back, they relax and you take care of everything from there. OK, you're you don't do penetrative sex.

[00:22:12] You don't do oral. You just milk. Correct. OK, that's one thing I wanted to ask you. Why? What what led you to that decision in a world of penetrative sex? Yeah, everywhere.

[00:22:25] I just it's I don't know, I think what I know that part of it is I just love the cock. I want to see the cock. I want to see the cock ejaculate. I want to make the cock ejaculate. I was a big bottom growing up.

[00:22:42] But as a milker, I wanted to, you know, see it, control it, you know, claim it, if you will, maybe. And it's just so much sexier to me to see everything. I think that's the big answer.

[00:22:59] And also, you know, penetrative sex can get, you know, that can be a laborious thing to just get ready for. Yeah, yeah, I can. I love it. But, you know, it's a little easier. Is it reserved also for your relationship?

[00:23:15] Do you reserve certain things for you and your and your your husband? I do. Okay, that's important. Yeah. Who have you not worked with that you would love to work with?

[00:23:26] So I actually had a top 10 list a couple years ago and actually melt like half of that lessons met to decide it wasn't a good fit. And then there were a couple more left. You know, it's interesting. We mentioned porn producers.

[00:23:42] The guys that I want to milk are porn directors, content creators themselves. Tim Kruger with Tim tails. LeGrand Wolf would be fun. Yeah, but, you know, I know those guys would never submit to that.

[00:24:01] So I think I, you know, think of the Dom type is have you asked? I haven't. Okay, actually, I did ask Tim. Okay. I don't know if he read my message, but I did reach out. Didn't that suck? Like we were saying before.

[00:24:16] Sometimes it's just depending on how high on the echelon of X they are, they just look at you as another fan. Sometimes unless you get that one in and once you have that in, you're like, okay, cool. Sometimes.

[00:24:29] Well, I've reached out to other porn stars by joining their only fans because some of them say they don't answer, you know, requests on Twitter. So I joined the site and asked that way and that's helped. So I should probably do that with Tim. Yeah.

[00:24:45] What's your I got to get into the US to or you plan a trip out to Europe, right? Right. You're based in you're based in Atlanta, Georgia now. So when do you get models and content creators that come down to you? Okay. And then the weekend.

[00:24:58] So they spend a weekend there. You have everything fully, fully decked out there to have your sessions all done. And I just moved into a bigger space.

[00:25:09] So I don't have to worry about converting it to a guest room, you know, when I'm done, which is what I've been doing for years. So all my kink furniture have a bench across a table, a couple stools. They they're there permanently.

[00:25:24] So it's a permanent place, which is terrific. And that does everything for your soul. You know, like, yeah, I have a home to do this now. Turn on the lights and you're good to go. That's it. What's your biggest challenge right now?

[00:25:36] What's your biggest challenge when you are on location or when you come to places? Probably a little bit of that loss of like, you know, this is my space. I control it. So I brought my cameraman with me this trip. So that's been amazing.

[00:25:55] And I don't have to worry about the technical aspects. And yeah, that's a huge load off my mind. It's different. And I shot a couple studio scenes not too long ago. And it was like the loss of that control was a little discombobulating, but worked with great people.

[00:26:11] So it worked out. But yeah, I do like to control the environment. Yeah, I kind of figure you walked in here because you showed me a picture of the layout and I was like, okay, you walked in, you turn the lights on.

[00:26:24] You said, okay, I can do this. This is almost immediately have to put everything together how you want to shoot it. Yeah. Interesting. You did mention off camera that you worked on a podcast yourself. So you've done podcast interviews with porn stars and producers and stuff.

[00:26:41] And you have a fan in Palmers who had this site. I don't think they continued it, but it's knocked out jerked off. I don't know if you remember that one. I do remember. Okay. Oh, yeah. I don't know how they've aged. Let's say that. Right.

[00:26:59] I'm not that PC, but that could be really. Yeah. And I remember they were still making it happen when I started working there. And then we had some producers that were like, I'm not doing that. I'm not shooting it. I thought it was interesting. You know, it's fantasy.

[00:27:16] Yeah. I get where they're coming from. But at the same time, I think there's something very, very cool about that. Well, and Paul himself directed milk, it which was a really hot milking. And it was all milking. No, no penetrative sex. And I was, it was terrific.

[00:27:36] I'd love to seeing a studio do that. A big studio. Yeah. Well, have you ever spoken to them about maybe doing a video for them? I would love to. Yeah, that would be cool. We did talk a little bit during the pandemic.

[00:27:49] They wanted to license some of my content that's that was already shot. But yeah, I would love to. I mean, I've worked with so many of their models. Alex Hawk was one of my first guys way back when and just, just so great. Yeah.

[00:28:05] You've worked at some studios with Davey Wavy, right? You did a couple things with him. Yep. What was that experience like? It was amazing. Other than the loss of control. Yeah, I know. I don't want to sound too ungrateful. It was a great, great experience.

[00:28:21] So he flew us all to Arizona. It was the height of the pandemic. So this was July of 2020. We were supposed to do so. He contacted me January of 2020. We were supposed to shoot in March, but of course that happened. So it was really delayed.

[00:28:38] And then we all had to take our tests so that we could create this bubble. There were only two. It was Jack Bailey and Andre Donovan. Great guys. And then the crew and me.

[00:28:52] And so we were all in this house and we shot two scenes in two days. And they have the most really amazing camera guy, has a beautiful camera. Their stuff is gorgeous. It's really beautiful. And we shot outside. You would like this. We shot outside for one scene.

[00:29:13] We were in Sedona, Arizona in July. It was 113 degrees outside. We were on this big rock in the middle of this riverbed. And, of course, I always wear all black. In 113-degree weather. Yes.

[00:29:30] Also kind of nervous that I could slip on the rock at any time and fall into it, you know, hit my head or whatever. But it was a lot of fun. I think that kind of added to the excitement of it.

[00:29:43] I was like, I hope they're not seeing me sweat. Elevated. Yeah, the experience. The choice in wearing all black. Where did that come about? I think probably to blend in. Because I'm not, I don't think of myself as an on-camera personality really.

[00:30:03] I'm just, I mean, of course, I need to be there, be in the scene. But my goal is to really showcase the person that I'm working with from all angles. If they've never been milked on all fours, I want to show off the butt. Blah, blah, blah.

[00:30:20] Put them in all these different positions. So I try to kind of blend in. These are the stars, really. I kind of like to fade a little bit in the background. But I'd also like to be in there because I do like the intimacy of holding the models.

[00:30:38] Whether it's a retry and that kind of thing. Where you just see kind of the hand shooting up. And that's all great, that's hot. But I kind of like that interaction. And people do like seeing that. Yeah.

[00:30:51] Just like you said, people like seeing just a hand, if anything. But yeah, it's really, really cool. And how do you, do you struggle with having to be in front of the camera? I do. I do. I mean, you know, I'm also 53.

[00:31:04] I don't really, I know I'm not going to be a politician. Not running for office. Anytime soon. Right. We'll see. So yeah, I don't really think about people, you know, some people in my family know. Others don't. But I'm not like worried about that kind of thing.

[00:31:30] I think just because I'm so critical, self-critical. That's the only thing. That's the one thing. My voice, I'm not a fan of my voice on camera. So, you know, just have to get used to it. Yeah. Once you listen to yourself, you edit your own videos instead.

[00:31:47] I do. Okay, so, and you still haven't gotten used to your voice? That can be a challenge sometimes. Really? Yeah? Well, you know, I'm into verbal stuff. I love verbal. I love that kind of verbal back and forth. So I have like two reactions when I'm editing.

[00:32:00] I mean like, oh, shut up coach. Or I'm dying laughing. Like, did I really just say that? Did I really just say that? And does it come from when you say things and you say to yourself, did I really just say that?

[00:32:12] Does it just, is it on a whim? Like you're not even, if you're getting so into that scene, I assume that what comes out of your mouth isn't really the person behind coach. Right. Okay. Yeah. So you're just in the moment. In the moment. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:32:29] And most of the guys I work with like that verbal exchange. I mean, I've worked with some, some porn personalities who don't make any noise whatsoever. That's not my preference because I kind of like the feedback. I like the, you know, that's how I know it's going well.

[00:32:44] You know, the, ooh, ah, yes coach, no coach. Just to touch back on a little bit before, you said you had a list of 10 and you've gotten through five. Yes. The two that didn't work.

[00:32:57] I'm curious when something doesn't work, what, what is it that, what are the, what are the signs that you see that say, okay, well this might not, this might be amazing, but it won't, it's not vibing. We want to go there? Kind of.

[00:33:13] I do because this is important, you know, like some people do this just for the money and they'll, they would power through that. But if you're not there for the experience. Right. Some certain people can tell. Yeah, I can tell really quickly.

[00:33:27] Um, and one of them, it was a real shame because I was a huge fan of this person who everybody said was the nicest person working in porn. And we met at a party and it was just, and we've been chatting, we've been chatting for a long time.

[00:33:48] Um, deeming on Twitter, texting that kind of thing. And in person it was just completely different and dismissive and very odd.

[00:33:59] So that could have been a bad day kind of situation, but there was no follow up that was, you know, with people who are traveling to Atlanta to see me.

[00:34:09] I think if there's a, not a roadblock, but if there are some signs that sometimes I need to just keep accepting because they're coming to me, they're traveling to me.

[00:34:21] Um, but there was one individual who's pretty big on just for fans who just sent me kind of erratic texts before he came and I just, uh, I was like, this isn't gonna work. This is odd. And then he apologized to me months and months later.

[00:34:38] But yeah, they were, they were on the list and. Scratch that off. Yeah. But I'm sure you have other people that are on your list now as well. Yeah. I'm trying to think really bad with names just FYI.

[00:34:51] There's so many, there's so many models that I'm like, oh, like, you know, I, I, I basically every month go on X and I do a search of who's going to be in the area. Who was in the area? Who's new? Right.

[00:35:06] Uh, and, and, and kind of like you, I, I get referrals from other models that I've worked with. Yeah. And that's probably the best thing when you have models now come to you after watching your, your footage, are they just like, here you go take it. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:35:23] Yeah. And which is great. So much content out there is that they know what to expect. You know, I have so many different positions. I have so many different styles out there, so many different types of furniture I use, all that kind of stuff.

[00:35:38] So they can come to me and say, I would love to be on all fours.

[00:35:43] You know, that is a favorite position, I think, because a lot of men are not milked in that position that, you know, they're, they may be fucked in that position, but getting milked is completely different. So they pinpoint like, I want that, I want that, I want that.

[00:35:59] And if I get guys who are like, please rope me up, I'm like, I'm not great at that, but I know someone who is. So I like to bring in, you know, help sometimes. Do you get milked? No. No. Not on camera.

[00:36:13] Not on camera, but you enjoy it for yourself as well. So I'm going to say something that a lot of guys say to me before I milk them, like it's really hard for someone to make me come with their hand.

[00:36:24] So you hear that and you must be like, rock and roll. Yeah, you don't know me. Just wait, just wait. But I say the same thing too. It's happened a couple times, surprisingly. I was like, wow, you did that?

[00:36:39] And I've had that reaction, like, oh my god, I can't believe that just happened. But yeah, I'm not a switch. Okay. I'm all dumb. Is there a model that would be able to talk you into doing it in front of the cameras?

[00:36:52] I don't think I have the bull body, really. You know, I'm not a... A lot of guys I work with are exhibitionists. Okay. I'm a voyeur. Okay. And I think that kind of makes for a good producer. You're absolutely right.

[00:37:10] I like to show my subject off, my bull off. So, yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry for... I always ask... No, it's a great question. Yeah, you know, because I'm on the same way. It's requested. I'm a workhorse, not a show horse. And that's basically what I love to do.

[00:37:28] That's what I'm going to say. Yeah, that's it. Thank you. No problem. Yeah, what would you like to do with your content in the future, in the near future with it? Now that I have a permanent studio that I work in, you know, I have everything set up.

[00:37:45] I want to do a little more BDSM work. I'm not the strictest dom. I'm not a sadistic dom, but I do like immobilizing bulls. You know, kind of doing some, you know, newer techniques. I do want to learn roping. I would like to do that.

[00:38:07] The problem is I'm not a patient person, so the leather restraints are so easy and immediate, and I get right to cock. But it would be fun to learn some new skills, and I've contacted a roper who can show me some things.

[00:38:24] So kind of expanding on the BDSM stuff, I want to... Of course, more subscribers never hurts. You know, Twitter's been my best marketing tool so far, but I need to explore other marketing avenues to get people to the site and probably do some ads, that kind of thing.

[00:38:45] You can probably get on YouTube and put up your content before... I do see that you set up certain scenes, that kind of stuff, before you get... Yeah, and then to be continued on X.

[00:38:58] Or I'm sorry, not on X, but on Just For Fans or something like that. But if you do have setups like that, it's... I always think it's a shame that they are just in one place when they're technically PG. You're not really doing anything.

[00:39:12] And people love behind the scenes stuff. I love that. I don't want to take up too much of more of your time. I know that you're here for work. How busy or what's your workload like while you're in New York? It's crazy. Yeah? So, yeah, I'm not complaining.

[00:39:28] And like I said, I got my cameraman with me, so that takes care of a lot of stuff. I'm going to see a show, but other than that, it's all work. You sing a show in Manhattan? Yeah. I look forward to that.

[00:39:43] I do love Broadway, so that'll be fun. So real quick, I just have to thank you very much for taking some time out. Thank you! I'm so flattered you asked me to do this. You present such interesting content.

[00:39:56] Very different from what I do and from what a lot of the studios do, but people absolutely love. So if subscribers are interested in what milking is, who else to go to but the coach? So the milking coach, thank you very much.

[00:40:11] I hope you have a great time here in New York again. And when I do go to Atlanta, let's go out for a cocktail or something like that. Let's do it. No work. You're so informative. I love the history of porn. That's big for me.

[00:40:26] I'm a huge porn fan way back, so I love that. So thank you for what you're doing. Thank you. I appreciate it. It's a labor of love, but I enjoy doing it, and I appreciate that. You've been watching Demystifying Gay Porn. I'm your host, Daike Grande.

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