S4E28: The Masked Jock Interview

[00:00:00] Welcome to Demystifying Gay Porn, my name is Ike Grande and if you watch Gay Porn, I've

[00:00:23] definitely helped you get off.

[00:00:25] And in the last several years, my guest has as well.

[00:00:28] You will know him as content creator, master, jock.

[00:00:32] How are you sir?

[00:00:33] I'm good.

[00:00:34] Yeah.

[00:00:35] How is everything going?

[00:00:37] Excellent.

[00:00:38] Okay.

[00:00:39] I have no complaints.

[00:00:40] I have to thank you very much because I know this was a little last minute but I'm glad

[00:00:44] that we were able to put this together and here we are.

[00:00:48] This is the first time I've ever done anything like this.

[00:00:51] Okay.

[00:00:52] All right.

[00:00:53] So I'll be painless.

[00:00:54] I'll be gentle.

[00:00:55] Yes.

[00:00:57] I'm like you in some of your scenes.

[00:01:00] Just a tip.

[00:01:01] So tell me a little bit about master jock and how he got started in the industry.

[00:01:08] I can't remember the year but this was about the time only fans had started.

[00:01:17] There are creators making content and it would see them posting on Twitter and all that

[00:01:23] good stuff and I thought we can go back and talk about it but I've been obsessed with

[00:01:28] porn forever.

[00:01:29] So like I was a big fan of porn and all the actors and when content creator started,

[00:01:35] I would see that occasionally they would look for people to shoot with and I had seen

[00:01:42] a couple of people with no faces shooting with these porn stars and I thought well if

[00:01:48] I could have sex with a porn star, I hope do that.

[00:01:51] One day there was a particular creator in town, Diego Grant.

[00:01:55] Diego Grant was in town and I reached out to him via Twitter and said hey I'd love

[00:02:02] to shoot a scene with you.

[00:02:03] I just can't show my face is that okay?

[00:02:06] And he said sure why not.

[00:02:09] And I showed up at his hotel room and I brought a mask with me just in case.

[00:02:17] I didn't know whether he would be able to cut my face off or so being the planner

[00:02:23] that I am.

[00:02:24] I brought it just in case and so we decided to use it and that was kind of the first foray

[00:02:32] into it.

[00:02:33] It went well.

[00:02:35] I was over the moon that I was having sex with a porn star, I was like a dream come true

[00:02:43] and the fact that I could do it and live out this fantasy but still not have my face out

[00:02:49] there was amazing.

[00:02:52] That kind of was the beginning of it from there.

[00:02:57] Once I had that done, I kind of took that he posted the video and I kind of then had

[00:03:04] proof of it so you know as porn stars started to come into town I'd say hey I'm shooting

[00:03:12] I'd hear a little clip of what I've done and they'd say okay and it kind of went from

[00:03:16] there.

[00:03:17] Okay so you have your first scene now with Diego Grant and you are now talking to other

[00:03:22] models, talking to other content creators, other performers, where did the name finally

[00:03:27] come from?

[00:03:28] When did MassJock become MassJock?

[00:03:32] It's hard to remember but I remember putting out a tweet saying hey I need a name because

[00:03:39] at the time I was hot equinox Jock at the time.

[00:03:49] And I needed a name and so I gave out options at MassJock or a name like a regular name

[00:03:57] like Johnny to Kansas and the people that were following me at the time voted for MassJock

[00:04:04] and so that's what stuck I thought.

[00:04:07] Would you safely say that you're the most popular MassJock porn content creator out there?

[00:04:13] I don't know sometimes I think I am but then I'm not sure, I couldn't tell you for sure.

[00:04:19] So maybe you paved the way.

[00:04:23] Maybe I have a lot of people who reach out to me and ask where I get my masks and ask

[00:04:27] me how I got into it and you know I told them what I can but I think it's not easy.

[00:04:37] I always get this like Lutali but I think right because you know a lot of the guys

[00:04:40] were masks all the heels for protection and stuff which creates kind of a subculture

[00:04:48] of fetish.

[00:04:49] Do you get reached out by people that are like oh wow I love the fact that we can't see

[00:04:52] you.

[00:04:53] I love.

[00:04:54] Yes, okay.

[00:04:55] All the time they love the idea of someone mass coming into their homes and you know

[00:05:00] throwing them on the bed and having their way like that's a fantasy they live out and

[00:05:05] I'm happy to give them that fantasy.

[00:05:10] It also helps that you're very well in shape and do a good job.

[00:05:15] So tell me we spoke a little bit about porn, right?

[00:05:21] Before we get back into like present day and stuff and what you want to do, what was

[00:05:25] your relationship like with porn growing up?

[00:05:28] At an early age I would say 12.

[00:05:32] I was in support and I had a family member who had a lot of straight porn stacked in their

[00:05:39] room and I'd find every opportunity to go there when he was not home and I'd go through

[00:05:46] the magazines, Puritan.

[00:05:48] I remember it was a big magazine back then you know of course Hustler and a lot of videos.

[00:05:58] I was obsessed with straight porn.

[00:05:59] I love the actresses.

[00:06:01] I love the actors.

[00:06:02] I learned who the good ones were, the good companies were, the good models big fantasy

[00:06:08] lords, Terry Wiegel, Peter North.

[00:06:11] That's a easy boy.

[00:06:13] Yeah, a easy boy.

[00:06:15] Guy, I love him.

[00:06:18] So and I was really obsessed with the women who are over the top like the ones who like

[00:06:23] screamed and were like, yes, over the top.

[00:06:27] Those are the ones that did it to me the most.

[00:06:30] So that's transferred over to you in gay porn like the guys who are the most verbal or

[00:06:35] the ones that I can't get enough of.

[00:06:38] Meanwhile, I'm not that verbal but it really gets me off.

[00:06:42] So that's how I kind of started and then at some point I was old enough to go by my own

[00:06:48] porn and so I started to like buy the gay porn and just like those straight stuff I learned

[00:06:54] in the good studios, learned to get performers and I've been a connoisseur.

[00:06:58] I mean, I have followed it all since I've been 12 years old.

[00:07:02] I followed it so I've always loved porn always always.

[00:07:05] Watching straight porn and so you watch the women too?

[00:07:09] Yes.

[00:07:10] Do you identify as just gay or do you also find female content creators out there and do

[00:07:15] some things with them?

[00:07:16] I think I identify as gay like I could definitely have sex with a woman and enjoy it

[00:07:23] and I have and I would do scenes with them but I wouldn't be in a relationship with

[00:07:28] the woman and I wouldn't fall in love with the woman.

[00:07:30] It's just more of a sexual thing.

[00:07:33] So to me that's identifying as gay, I don't think it's by still.

[00:07:36] I think it's like a gay.

[00:07:38] Yeah, no for sure.

[00:07:40] I see women all the time that I think are beautiful and could I get it up?

[00:07:43] Yeah, sure why not?

[00:07:44] But I'm not.

[00:07:45] Yeah.

[00:07:46] I don't want to roll over and you know, it's nothing big.

[00:07:50] Yeah.

[00:07:51] You know what I mean?

[00:07:52] You're rolling over and seeing my birth next to me.

[00:07:55] Right.

[00:07:56] Okay, so early on you've had you you've had access to porn.

[00:08:00] Yes.

[00:08:01] It's developed who you are or had this idea that okay, I can have this life but I can

[00:08:07] also have a separate life where I am able to fulfill my sexual fantasy of being a porn

[00:08:15] content creator, porn model.

[00:08:16] This porn you're a porn star.

[00:08:18] Are you international?

[00:08:19] Do people like your fans are worldwide or?

[00:08:23] Yeah, I have a lot of Asian fans.

[00:08:26] Yeah, okay.

[00:08:27] I think they have to do with the mask.

[00:08:28] I think the masks are big over there and in fact little on secret I get my masks imported

[00:08:33] from there.

[00:08:34] If I have very specific masks, a lot of people ask me where I get them and I don't

[00:08:40] get the trade secret.

[00:08:41] Okay.

[00:08:42] But yeah so they seem to be big over there and I have a lot of fans from Asia.

[00:08:48] You have a lot of masks as well.

[00:08:50] I have a lot of masks.

[00:08:51] I have, yeah, I would count.

[00:08:54] I'd say I have 10 masks and I'm still looking for if anybody out there can help me out.

[00:08:59] I want custom masks done.

[00:09:00] I've asked around and it seems to be an impossibility and I don't understand why.

[00:09:06] But yeah, I'm looking to expand the repertoire and get some more real different kind of stuff.

[00:09:14] Off-cam we talked a little bit about this but I would love to kind of get an idea of

[00:09:20] your childhood.

[00:09:23] Whatever you can, whatever insight you can give me about the little mask job.

[00:09:30] I mean, little mask job was super nerdy, made fun of.

[00:09:38] Yeah, he was very shy and quiet.

[00:09:43] You would never think that he had this perverse side in him but he did.

[00:09:48] Let's talk a little bit about coming out or being gay.

[00:09:52] When did you realize as an adolescent?

[00:10:00] When did you realize that you were gay?

[00:10:02] I think I realized it at a super young age.

[00:10:06] I think I thought watching sitcoms, I thought Kirk Cameron's hot.

[00:10:11] I wouldn't look at him before I looked at the sister.

[00:10:14] It was fairly early that I knew I didn't put a label on it then but I just knew that I

[00:10:21] liked the guys.

[00:10:23] I really tried to fight against that because I had family members who would always ask

[00:10:28] me do you have a girlfriend?

[00:10:29] Do you have a girlfriend?

[00:10:30] I never did and it was hard to like, I didn't want to disappoint them.

[00:10:37] For a long time, I made efforts to date girls.

[00:10:43] I kind of blame...

[00:10:44] This is funny or not funny but I blame girls.

[00:10:49] I say for being gay because I did make an effort.

[00:10:52] I did.

[00:10:53] I'd ask girls out and I constantly got denied.

[00:10:56] I constantly got shut down.

[00:10:57] I'm like, well girls don't like me.

[00:10:59] At some point guys started to come up to me so it wouldn't be interested and I go, well

[00:11:05] I'm just meant to be.

[00:11:07] I tried.

[00:11:08] You don't want anything to do with me?

[00:11:10] At one point, did guys start coming up to you?

[00:11:12] It was probably in high school and high school.

[00:11:17] High school was my first gay experience with a classmate and we'd go into the closet

[00:11:26] at his house and it started with just jacking each other off then it became blow jobs

[00:11:33] and then at one point I tried to have sex he bought on but we were just...

[00:11:41] We were like 14 years old.

[00:11:43] What did you do in how we knew?

[00:11:44] We nobody did.

[00:11:45] It's like me trying to stick my dick in not tight hole so it wasn't very good.

[00:11:51] It wasn't successful.

[00:11:52] It was not successful.

[00:11:53] But the attempt was there.

[00:11:54] Yes, so that was getting a centrum from a guy and nothing at all was worth looking

[00:11:59] at me and had him wanting anything to do with me.

[00:12:02] It was dark in the closet.

[00:12:03] Oh yeah, so do you guys need to see each other?

[00:12:06] No, I mean we'd still...

[00:12:07] We knew who would be each other.

[00:12:08] But no, we didn't see each other but we graduated from that to then doing it outside of

[00:12:12] the closet in the bed.

[00:12:15] There's a lot of masturbation.

[00:12:17] We didn't attempt to do that a lot because we didn't want to get caught so it was just easier

[00:12:22] to masturbate.

[00:12:23] It was high school.

[00:12:24] High school was away.

[00:12:25] High school was away.

[00:12:26] I was at a state and then college was away.

[00:12:30] I was at a state and college I didn't...

[00:12:33] I did have some gay experiences at the time when I was in college they'd have ads in

[00:12:38] the paper.

[00:12:39] So...

[00:12:40] Yeah, you died.

[00:12:41] I'm right there with you.

[00:12:43] I remember those very well.

[00:12:45] Meet this random person at a place.

[00:12:48] You dial a number...

[00:12:49] Actually this is the way we were.

[00:12:50] I would call the number and then you would leave a message and then that person would

[00:12:54] get your message and if they wanted to respond to you they'd have...

[00:12:58] They'd be a voicemail box or you'd call back into and you'd hear the message.

[00:13:02] Then they'd say a meeting place and that's what you did.

[00:13:05] Isn't that crazy?

[00:13:06] Yeah, it's amazing how little you can go on grinder or any of these apps now and find this

[00:13:11] person within seconds.

[00:13:12] You'd have to wait two fuck hours.

[00:13:15] I'm thinking about the people that were writing letters.

[00:13:17] I was watching this movie the other day.

[00:13:21] It takes place in the 70s.

[00:13:23] It's basically this little print ad.

[00:13:27] This is what I like and blah, blah.

[00:13:28] Then you write that person wait a week and then they'd write back.

[00:13:32] It's insane.

[00:13:34] Maybe you'll get a picture.

[00:13:35] Maybe not.

[00:13:36] I don't know if it was a blind date or not but it's crazy.

[00:13:39] How easy it is today to get everything.

[00:13:41] It's...

[00:13:42] I mean, they're so lucky the kids today and the younger generation because it was hard.

[00:13:48] If I'm not mistaken we might be contemporaries when it comes to timeframes.

[00:13:52] We got to see the best of everything when it comes to the rise of the internet.

[00:13:58] Remember gait.com?

[00:13:59] Okay, so gait.com, manhunt.

[00:14:02] I don't know how popular they still are but that was the way to do it before.

[00:14:07] Yeah, the GPS system.

[00:14:09] Okay, well this guy's six feet away from me.

[00:14:14] When you think of this persona that you have, MassJock and your everyday life, how hard

[00:14:20] is it to maintain both of those?

[00:14:23] Extremely hard.

[00:14:24] I mean, obviously the mask is a fetish so it's become a thing.

[00:14:29] Is it a fetish for you?

[00:14:31] Not so much for me.

[00:14:33] I tend to not really want to shoot with other people with masks.

[00:14:38] Okay.

[00:14:39] We're going to a different top here.

[00:14:40] What a lot of people don't know is I'm a niche.

[00:14:43] It's not like, I get a lot of people who want to get into it and I have to explain

[00:14:47] to them, you're not going to get into this and become over the top popular instantly

[00:14:53] and you're not ever, I feel, my opinion, going to make the kind of money any person who

[00:15:00] shows their faces.

[00:15:02] So you really have to be okay with that because there's your, for a particular audience,

[00:15:09] you're not for everybody.

[00:15:11] So are you doing this?

[00:15:13] Is this a, is this like a hobby?

[00:15:15] Yeah, I'm okay.

[00:15:16] I do it because I like to do it.

[00:15:19] I get to have sex with a really, a lot of amazing guys.

[00:15:23] I've met a lot of amazing guys and we become friends and that was something I never expected

[00:15:29] like how normal all these guys are and how cool and it's just, it's open my eyes to

[00:15:36] a lot because that was something I'd never knew.

[00:15:39] I just thought porn stars were, you know, arrogance.

[00:15:43] I thought I wanted to have sex with them but I thought they'd be arrogant and they'd

[00:15:46] be like an a-listar and some of the more.

[00:15:49] I guess, but I haven't met the many that are like that.

[00:15:54] They've all been really like sweet for the most part and that's been really high opening

[00:15:59] to me and what I wish the broader audience knew that these guys are not drug addicts

[00:16:05] and degenerates and gross and they have normal lives or normal guys and they just do this

[00:16:10] like anybody else like a job and so I applaud them because it's really hard work.

[00:16:15] Especially now.

[00:16:16] Especially now.

[00:16:17] With the fans, I always say it's like being your own production company and you have to

[00:16:21] know how to do all this stuff.

[00:16:22] You have to cast, right?

[00:16:25] And what we were talking about before flakes like you're going to constantly get people,

[00:16:30] if you set up six shoots in one week, you're probably do three if you're lucky, you know.

[00:16:35] So we were talking a little bit about okay so the balancing act of your life and a

[00:16:42] mass-jock and it being hard.

[00:16:46] Do you ever see a time where the mask would come off?

[00:16:49] No I get that.

[00:16:50] That's the question a lot.

[00:16:52] No, A, I mean it's a kind of a I hate to use this word because it's so like annoying when

[00:16:57] I hear people use it but it's like a brand.

[00:17:01] So without the mask what is there, there's no mask.

[00:17:04] The artist formerly known as mass-jock and I don't want to pursue this as my main career

[00:17:11] experience.

[00:17:12] Okay, there's no reason for me to do it ever.

[00:17:14] It's never going to come off now.

[00:17:16] And you've found this niche fame.

[00:17:20] Yes.

[00:17:21] Through it.

[00:17:22] So you're kind of the example of hey you can't do this and not have to show your face.

[00:17:27] Yes.

[00:17:28] And that's what I think is very intriguing.

[00:17:29] That's why I think we had been in touch maybe a year ago.

[00:17:32] I wanted to go.

[00:17:33] I was in LA I think and I wanted to, I did want to meet up.

[00:17:38] However, I know I know how busy schedules can be and how crazy it is.

[00:17:41] So when I saw you were somewhere I said, hey let's see if we can get this going.

[00:17:50] I'm intrigued by the fact that I've been in this industry for a long time.

[00:17:55] And when someone's like I want to do this but I don't want to show my face, I've just

[00:17:59] kind of been told, well no they're not going to be in the scene.

[00:18:04] No, you know I think that like you said, you are kind of you're in this niche.

[00:18:10] People do want to see that.

[00:18:11] There are people that have this fantasy of not seeing who's behind them where there's

[00:18:16] you know I just did a scene the other day called blindfolded bottom.

[00:18:19] So yeah I think I think you're I think you're fine.

[00:18:22] I've had a really popular content creator, really popular come to me and said he's spoken

[00:18:31] with a very well respected director from a big studio and showed him my stuff.

[00:18:38] Said I shot with him like would you use him?

[00:18:41] And he said absolutely like tell him to call me and we'll do so work with the mask.

[00:18:46] I can't do it.

[00:18:47] I just I've I thought about it for a second go how cool with that be.

[00:18:52] But it's it's you know I'm okay where I am.

[00:18:55] Okay, I'm not looking for that kind of exposure.

[00:18:58] You think it's cool however you don't really need to go into a studio board.

[00:19:02] No, okay.

[00:19:03] No.

[00:19:04] When I was downstairs I was like, am I is he going to come out in the mask?

[00:19:08] Is he going to like I was curious and I put my phone away I put everything away because

[00:19:13] I wanted to like kind of yeah I wanted to know I wanted you to know that you can trust

[00:19:17] me when it comes to this stuff but you would have to literally walk in.

[00:19:21] Yeah.

[00:19:22] Like I'm like we're talking about events right when you walk into an event you kind

[00:19:26] of already have to have your mask on.

[00:19:28] Yes, okay.

[00:19:29] I've like this past year I attended the AVN's the Gavians and I was there with a mask

[00:19:36] and so it can get a little bit you know cumbersome because you have the mask on the entire time.

[00:19:43] How do you drink?

[00:19:44] So we have exactly so there are lots of events I do attend and I just don't say I'm

[00:19:50] there and I just show up is like everybody else.

[00:19:52] I see.

[00:19:53] Okay.

[00:19:54] I'm not going to go out and have a good time and then you know I end up meeting people

[00:19:57] and I go hey I'm a shock and they go oh my god that's you.

[00:20:01] And it's what still freaks me out is that they know who I am because I'm like your big

[00:20:06] giant porn star like for you know who I am just I get overwhelmed every time it's just

[00:20:12] nuts.

[00:20:13] I think there's there's a good level of secrecy when it comes to or discretion when

[00:20:19] it comes to that so I think that like for instance Joel someone yeah.

[00:20:23] I spoke to him and he's like oh yeah what a lovely man.

[00:20:26] What a lovely man mask joke mask.

[00:20:28] And I'm like really he's like yeah I know it's great guy.

[00:20:31] But yeah like I think that when it comes to your discretion I think you're good but yeah

[00:20:38] you always have to live with that idea that somebody can possibly take a picture take

[00:20:42] a snapshot do this do that or post who you are.

[00:20:45] And I don't think it's I really don't think it would be a creator who would do that I think

[00:20:51] if anything it's a follower or somebody who just is an asshole.

[00:20:55] Yeah.

[00:20:56] Is really out to destroy somebody like that which I don't understand but yet all the creators

[00:21:01] have been really great about it in fact a little known fact is I've never sent my face

[00:21:08] to any creator before shooting with them so these guys shoot with me sight unseen.

[00:21:14] This is even from Diego Grant like I have always been that super discrete so it's

[00:21:21] amazing that it's gotten to this level because I mean at some point they're like well

[00:21:25] I guess I'm gonna shoot with him because everybody else has but it's I've probably gotten

[00:21:29] five knows that said I won't do it unless I see you and I'd say okay I totally understand.

[00:21:35] Yeah fine but otherwise all like said okay and they've taken a chance.

[00:21:40] Well I'm not gonna lie I mean if you sent me your picture I don't have to see the face

[00:21:46] to be like oh well you know this guy definitely he's in shape and he looks good.

[00:21:51] Interesting your videos.

[00:21:52] I'm like alright well he knows what he's doing so and you know you can kind of I don't

[00:21:59] know I guess maybe because I'm staring at you long enough I finally found your eye.

[00:22:03] Yeah.

[00:22:04] A lot of performers a lot of porn stars a lot of content creators they have what they would

[00:22:10] consider a lifespan on how long they would be doing content.

[00:22:14] What would you say or how long do you foresee yourself doing content as mass jock?

[00:22:20] I've thought about this a lot recently and I'm thinking that there is an end game for

[00:22:27] me I could see it being in the next year and a half.

[00:22:33] I love doing it and it's great but you know it is is a lot of work.

[00:22:39] I have a normal nine to five job that comes first that's my career career and it's actually

[00:22:47] getting busier and busier so it's hard to juggle both things to shoot content schedule

[00:22:54] content edit the content promote the content get it out weekly and do my job personally

[00:23:02] for me and I don't know about anybody else only fans is giving a lot of issues taking

[00:23:07] a lot of content down Twitter is getting a little bit wonky as well so it's getting a

[00:23:14] little tenuous I feel so a little grim yeah it's looking a little bit grim I don't want

[00:23:18] to be the first to have its grim outlook but I don't know where it's going so I kind

[00:23:24] of starting to plan an end game I think it could change but I'm thinking a year and a half

[00:23:29] I might do you think because this is this is not not supplementary but it's it's kind

[00:23:37] of like a side hustle that's right yeah fun side hustle yep where do you think content creators

[00:23:45] who don't have a side hustle could go if if we're kind of foreseen something happening on social

[00:23:52] media on platforms like ex on platforms like only fans that made their money on the backs

[00:23:58] of content creators what would be a good alternative but do you do you have any opinion on that

[00:24:05] I mean personally I'm a fan of the other sites just for fans I think is an amazing site they

[00:24:12] have a lot of tools that people are unaware of that make it very simple to use and share

[00:24:18] content with other creators since you know there's a lot that they have I don't want go into

[00:24:22] the specifics and about it because there's a lot but personally what I would do is and I've

[00:24:30] already gone and like bought my domain name and my hosting site and so should only fans go down

[00:24:38] or should Twitter go away I have a good base at just for fans and I just have to like supplement

[00:24:44] it with getting the mass shock website out and I think that you can still continue as long as you

[00:24:52] have that plan for I personally don't think you need only fans at all I think it's

[00:24:57] it's it's it's you don't yeah Twitter helps with with with promotion absolutely and so in that

[00:25:06] respect I don't know what the next thing would be to get that kind of promotion but I think

[00:25:13] do you think it's gonna be threads no no how about you talk I mean it could be ticked off would it be

[00:25:20] you know like are like Instagram I you know Instagram I think is okay they do they have an

[00:25:27] ever taken down anything I've put up there I mean I don't show you know nudity or anything but

[00:25:32] they're okay and I can do that yeah that's that's the luxury of X is that even if

[00:25:38] because Twitter yeah well X formerly known in Twitter has has kind of existed with this

[00:25:47] this real world let's say and then almost like the real world the underbelly of of Twitter because

[00:25:55] that's what we are if we think about it we exist shadow band from everybody yet we're kind

[00:26:00] of this little ecosystem of of porn content creators producers directors actors models all that

[00:26:06] stuff but it's amazing how many followers you can have still without being you know political figure

[00:26:15] or TV figure or anything like that right I mean I think before Twitter to me there was Tumblr okay they

[00:26:24] somewhere went away and then Twitter like exploded I think for me so I think there's gonna be

[00:26:29] something nobody's not gonna do something nobody's gonna be ridiculous and say I'm not gonna build

[00:26:34] something where everybody can go so I think there's gonna be something yeah it just what it is now

[00:26:39] we just don't we don't know are there any major porn stars in studios oh actually

[00:26:47] any major porn stars in studios passed in prison that you would have been like oh well this is

[00:26:53] I would have slept with this person I mean they're gonna be guys from the past that probably

[00:26:57] the younger audience doesn't know but um Ken Riker was a big I was a big fan of Ken Riker

[00:27:03] I was a big fan of um Jeff Striker Ryan Heidl

[00:27:10] Jeff Striker I have been howling him I'm trying to make a documentary uh-huh

[00:27:16] he's he's trying to make a documentary about him yeah I've been howling him like crazy

[00:27:22] yeah well I mean there you know when you look when you know you're a legend it's not easy

[00:27:28] yeah sure uh hopefully that happens but okay so uh one of my one of the reasons for that question

[00:27:35] is it's kind of trying to get to see if you have a type yeah right so you like to build guys I like

[00:27:41] built guy I do like build guys but what has been great about content creation is it's open my eyes

[00:27:50] to so many different body types like doing this I've met twinky guys I've met chubby guys

[00:27:57] I've and I've shot I'm shot with all nationalities and it's not like what I would have thought I'd

[00:28:04] be interested in but I have like there's a connection it doesn't I found I can make a connection

[00:28:10] with people no matter what they look like uh body wise so it's been fascinating for that like

[00:28:16] it really has like now I see a little twink and I know he's kind of high I see a little I could do so

[00:28:22] yeah yeah so but if you ask me like I have a pica type yes he's gonna be

[00:28:27] muskly um probably blonde I mean I've as a kid I would gravitate towards these you know cornfed

[00:28:37] blonde yeah well we grew up looking at that yes you know so the ideal yeah person to me yes

[00:28:44] yeah uh as I mentioned before I'm doing the history of gay erotic uh from the late 60s for the

[00:28:51] early 70s so far for this season and I have yet to do a black or latin model and I'm like okay it's

[00:28:59] coming you know the 80s are right around the corner it's coming I had two questions that I wanted

[00:29:03] to ask you uh definitely one of them was with a mask yeah right do you yourself find it at any point

[00:29:15] uh security blanket would you say outside of being something you know like you're you're

[00:29:21] disguising who you are but yeah you know um Halloween's my favorite um holiday and I find that

[00:29:29] there's something freeing about being somebody else there's just something about it like you can

[00:29:36] you're pretending to be another person who's not you and something of that speaks to me like I

[00:29:42] just love it like yeah you have to get off on that some part of you has to like the idea that

[00:29:48] nobody knows who you are that's that's crazy that's that's fun it's amazing yes that part is

[00:29:55] that's what yes yes are there any other things that you would want to get into uh before you do

[00:30:03] kind of wrap it up when it comes to uh content creation I would like to get a scene done with um

[00:30:13] a girl not a one-on-one scene but I would like a scene with a guy and a girl I want to get one of

[00:30:18] those in that would be something I'd want to do finally um because again we talked I am attracted

[00:30:24] to women in the sexual way so I think it would be hot yeah to do I had my first um seen with a

[00:30:31] trans person uh triplex trans man and that was oh yeah yeah I did that was I opening too because I

[00:30:39] had never had had that experience uh you know and uh he was really great about like guiding me through

[00:30:47] it I guess you could say um and it was really really hot so so yeah I think that's I think that's the

[00:30:53] one thing that I think I have left to do I've done pretty much everything else you don't

[00:30:58] fisting you die well I don't not into fisting okay um there's nothing about it that I

[00:31:05] gets me off like it has to get me off in some way yeah yeah I've done water sports

[00:31:11] since I've done shiny scenes done shiny scenes yeah I've done all the fistings the one

[00:31:17] kind of place I haven't gone and don't think I would go um and then a bi-scene yeah what's

[00:31:22] one of the one times you've walked into a place and been like wow like I'm fucking doing this

[00:31:26] thing um an event you mean or like a room like maybe like a collaboration oh I mean there've been

[00:31:37] a lot of times when I've walked in the room and it's like somebody huge to me and I go wow um

[00:31:44] Devin Franco was a big okay like I because I was a huge fan and he's humongous and so I'm like oh my

[00:31:52] I can't believe he's gonna have sex with me um uh Michael Boston yeah I mean there's a lot there's

[00:32:02] a lot that okay I've that I've been in on you know it's weird because I don't want to seem like

[00:32:07] a fan girl but it's like I'm inside going oh my god I can't believe this guy is once

[00:32:12] have sex with me yeah unreal sometimes I could only imagine cuz I'm just a normal guy off the

[00:32:17] street to me um but I don't consider myself anything special so have there been situations and

[00:32:24] collaborations you're like I am not feeling this at all yes I don't think there's been any collaboration

[00:32:32] where we just didn't do it but there have been unfortunately somewhere you know the chemistry's

[00:32:41] not there and you just are trying to just get it done um and that's unfortunate because I don't

[00:32:47] do this I'm not like a studio and I'm not getting paid from a studio so you know why go through with

[00:32:52] it but you're kind of in it and so you're I think I am hoping like you know okay the kissing might

[00:32:58] be good but the sex is gonna be good and then like okay well you know doggy's not good but if I turn

[00:33:03] him around then that's gonna be good and then before you know it none of it was good and your

[00:33:09] best like okay we're done so when that happens do you do you still release it or do you

[00:33:15] when this person comes in agreement like okay well maybe that wasn't that wasn't what it could

[00:33:20] it was some of them I have because it doesn't look like I thought it was okay um I have never

[00:33:29] with the other person had a conversation said this was bad like to you so that's never taken place

[00:33:35] and there's a lot of times on the other hand on the other side of that where I've thought we had

[00:33:39] amazing chemistry and like oh my god it was so hot and then I leave going I wonder if he thought

[00:33:44] it was as hot as I am I wonder like is he gonna like is he kind of like DM me later and say oh my god

[00:33:49] that was so hot and then you know sometimes they do and sometimes don't when they don't like oh

[00:33:53] he was so thought it was terrible and I'm here thinking he was like the best thing that ever happened

[00:33:59] so so even mass jock has these thoughts yeah right has mass jock ever gotten to flake on all the time

[00:34:08] all the time I mean yes there have been I mean I countless times you just it's I've come to get used

[00:34:15] to it I think everybody can say that it's happened a lot yeah I mean yes yeah yes I feel like the

[00:34:22] people that would do that are people that are insanely popular or people that have no idea

[00:34:27] who they're doing seeing with yeah does it does it happen to fall in those directions or is it

[00:34:32] you know just shit they don't work out there's excuses or is it just plain old work I think usually

[00:34:38] it's somebody who's not insanely popular it's somebody who's middle of the road or not

[00:34:46] just starting out okay usually most often it's somebody who's got a following but they're not

[00:34:52] huge they're not new and they just don't show up or cancel with the last minute ghost

[00:35:01] and then you just you know put them on the list of no not ever again ever again

[00:35:07] and oftentimes they will eventually get a hold of you and say oh hey I didn't show up three days

[00:35:12] ago because you go okay yeah have you ever dispensed advice to any models

[00:35:22] and if so because you know this is a very hard business have you ever met somebody that you're

[00:35:29] like okay this need this person needs a little help or this person needs just like a push yeah

[00:35:33] and that's it goes both ways there's like when we get together to shoot there's not just like

[00:35:38] you show up and you have sex like a lot of times we trade like information like oh he used

[00:35:44] that kind of tripod and what camera are you using and what app are you using to edit oh my gosh

[00:35:49] and oh so it's like a lot of exchange of information and camaraderie and like helping each other out

[00:35:54] and that happens all the time and yeah I get people who don't use masks who I shoot with and say hey

[00:36:02] I'm trying to grow my my base like what do you suggest or what would he as do you have her

[00:36:07] who do you think I should shoot with who would work for me and I of course I always have to tell

[00:36:13] him what I think or what I know but it has been really collaborative with everybody there everybody's

[00:36:19] really really nice and which is like again I can't stress enough how nice and respectful and

[00:36:26] that a lot of the people are have you ever wanted or have you ever done cosplay

[00:36:34] I mean to me what's cosplay because it's like I've worn costumes well like have you would you

[00:36:41] have you done like spider-man yes okay so you have done scenes like that I've done okay so for

[00:36:49] for a couple of years I did Halloween theme scenes and so I dressed up in a full chase and

[00:36:56] for he's fired a 13th the whole thing and shot a scene and I did it as Michael Myers and I did it

[00:37:03] as the fisherman from I know what you did last summer and I did one as a Santa Claus so yes I bet

[00:37:12] the whole get up Deadpool have you that would be one I have to say that's not Deadpool I did a photo

[00:37:19] shoot a spider-man but I didn't shoot a spider-man but yes Deadpool I've been meaning to actually

[00:37:24] get the entire costume yeah there's a more different that yes there is a more I feel like if I

[00:37:31] had any requests to make from the mass job yeah it would be hey it would be really really hot if

[00:37:36] you just like cut the hole in yeah when to tell like that there is a certain site that will make all

[00:37:43] the costumes and put the foot the zipper on oh really okay yeah absolutely so it's yes I've

[00:37:50] looked into it for sure I don't want to take up too much more of your time I absolutely appreciate

[00:37:57] you were able to carve out some time for me when people who don't know who the mass job is want to find

[00:38:05] you where where would they go they go to x formerly known as twitter at mast truck and I have an

[00:38:16] Instagram the only mast truck and only fans mass job just for fans mass job for my fans mass

[00:38:26] truck and that's probably a no-tick-tuck no take talk no take talk well take talk is hard yeah

[00:38:33] take talk is and I'm not I've fiddled with it and I'm not but you have to learn I mean I'm in all

[00:38:41] these you know 10-year-olds that can work a tick-tock because I'm like I have that 40,000 followers

[00:38:47] a tick-tock it's not intuitive to me before we go is there any possibility I can I can see what's

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