S4E19: The Joel Someone and King Dwarf Interview

[00:00:03] Welcome to Demystifying Gay Porn. My name is Ike Que Grande and if you watch gay porn, I've definitely helped you get off. And the two gentlemen that are with me today have also helped you get off on various occasions in various platforms.

[00:00:30] Our reality TV personality and content creator King Dwarf and award-winning gay porn star, Joel Someone. Thank you. How are you guys? We're great. We're doing really awesome. Easter time is kicking my ass. Yeah, and because all he does is work.

[00:00:53] He's exhausted because all he does is work, this little motherfucker. I remember one of the last interviews I did with you. I said, Joel Someone is everywhere. Now, Joel Someone and King Dwarf are everywhere. Literally. Literally. You've been on reality TV together.

[00:01:09] Actually, you've been on a reality TV show, but you also did a quiz show just recently. Yes. Like talk to me a little bit about what the last year has been like for you guys. It's been awesome.

[00:01:21] I'm so, I'm, I started this journey a while ago and I was attempting to get into the public eye from the start. Whereas when he jumped into this, he actually was the opposite. He was kind of a person who did his own thing and really created his entire

[00:01:39] kind of kingdom because he did it, but I'm bum on his own, on his own. Like all of this was very much created by him in his own privacy. And so I've been really impressed with the level of like, he jumped right on the carousel.

[00:01:57] Like he like he didn't slow down. He just jumped on and he's really managed to do it with some grace. You baby. KD. Can I call you? Sure. KD. I love that. Yeah, I love that.

[00:02:09] So Katie, the last time I spoke to you or the first time I spoke to you, we had a wrong sheet. Well, yeah, that's right. Good times. Good time. Yes. We'll tell you. Yes, we had hinted that or you had hinted that you were in a relationship

[00:02:23] with someone, right? Yes. That someone happened to be Joel someone. Yes, it was. So that's, that's blossomed. Obviously. Oh my God. Yeah. What so much has happened since our first interview together. Um, so yeah, he was courting me.

[00:02:39] And so I was basically flying back and forth after that interview because that's shortly after Provincetown happened. So he went back to LA. I was going back to my day-to-day life in Jersey and he really instilled like, you know, let's go for the big times.

[00:02:54] Like you don't need to be stifled in Jersey and let's it's you need to be where you belong and that was coming out to Los Angeles and getting opportunities. And so that really stuck with me after Provincetown. So I made it my mission.

[00:03:07] I remember he called me to go to his brother's wedding and I was like, okay, am I going to do this? Am I going to go to his wedding? Like is that jumping the gun? Is that is that crazy? So I asked for it.

[00:03:17] He didn't go to the wedding. I did not go to the wedding. I had him do the old Jersey like come home meet mom, which she loved him and I picked up the dowry all of that stuff you did. Yeah.

[00:03:30] And so basically, yeah, it was it was a hit and he we stood we hung out in Jersey. We hung out in New York and then we I kind of went back to LA with him

[00:03:40] and it was it was a really it was that and then I fielded an offer someone I was chatting with it and informed me that there was a show that he could be would be great on and meanwhile, he didn't live in

[00:03:54] LA and it was it was for go go for the gold and I was like, oh my god and I told him I'm like so you could and he's like, well, I'm like no, no, you stay with me. Do you stay with me? We'll figure this out.

[00:04:06] Just get here. Like it's one of those things like that's that's been my career. Like it's you do if you don't turn down an offer, you'll make it work. And so he got to LA thankfully. They were having a dolls kill sample sale and thrift stores had extra

[00:04:20] trampy small clothing for us. And yeah, no, we put together his go go for the gold thing. Oh, yeah, he was like the best boyfriend because he was like my he turned in my little personal assistant like driving me to Burbank

[00:04:31] every day getting my outfits together and coordinated, you know, giving like getting a little twist that I was going to do like the reveals. He was like, that's yeah, that's a whole other topic. But I mean just first getting to LA and the whirlwind of jumping

[00:04:47] right into reality TV, especially for the number one. I knew to Los Angeles never been there day in my life and then it was jumping on to my first reality TV show. So I had to get that's 12 hour days on set, you know, it's something I never did.

[00:04:59] I was in I was I was the director producer everything of my own, you know content when I felt like doing something. I was like, okay, I'm going to do this in my room, but you had the

[00:05:07] mystique of no one knowing you but everyone knowing you that like and he says it perfectly. It's like everyone is saying now that they're putting a face to my online persona and it's like we didn't know who you were behind

[00:05:20] the screen and now they're getting to meet me at go go gigs are getting to meet there's I'm literally on their TVs and their streaming devices now. So it's like, you know, they're finally putting a face to me beyond

[00:05:31] What I was doing which was, you know chatter Bade and you know, only fans and so and that's the most heartwarming thing about this is fans are coming up to me and they're so ecstatic because they've

[00:05:41] been following me since day one like I did a Portland gig and they were like, you know, we're in the we were in like the first thousand followers you had on Twitter. Like that's how og we are and I love that that was sweet to me and

[00:05:54] they were like, you know, we've seen you blow up and it was the most like heartwarming thing that they've been like, you know, my writer dies essentially, you know, you guys met in Provincetown. Yeah. Okay. What was that? Like what was your like? What what happened?

[00:06:08] You guys saw each other. So okay. So that actually kind of pivots from the last question a lot. I had seen him for years online for years and years. I don't see in his I told you the back. He's working. Yeah.

[00:06:21] Yeah, I had seen his stuff for years and and didn't believe he was real. He was all he was in Jersey and I lived in New York and I couldn't get him to meet me. I was I was petrified.

[00:06:30] I was petrified and I didn't realize how protective he is of his dwarfism. Like I didn't really understand that until I met him and then got to see his DMS Romeo and Juliet. Oh, he was used to give me like Instagram like video messages like

[00:06:46] hey, what are you doing tonight? Like I'm in New York like do you want to come by and just hang out and I was like shaking when I would get them. I'm like no, no, I can't I'm scared.

[00:06:54] Well, yeah, and I get that now I was one of the reasons I would do those is that's a nice way of kind of human. I I'm I struggle with text the coldness of text is hard for me to

[00:07:04] do it was very warm and welcoming but I was so petrified because it was the next step for me. It was somebody who was obviously very well known in this industry an actual like full-fledged porn star and I was like, I don't know

[00:07:19] what his intentions are and that was the wall that came up and about that was the block for me and at that stage I would I could have let my wall come down and you know, I kicked myself in the ass

[00:07:31] because this could have happened five years earlier, but you know, I believe there's a time for everything but keep going. I'm sorry. No, no, no, I honestly you got you nailed it right on the head and

[00:07:43] you guys you had that you had that scene or that shoot in Provincetown. He was with his friend Richie at the time and I and Richie was a little bit of a gatekeeper. He's very sweet. I like him but I could tell that was like his muscle.

[00:07:57] That was kind of like a hey, you're not getting to leave the dwarf alone. All right, two feet buddy. And so I remember immediately. I was like I worked over Richie. I was like, hey and this is like it was within five minutes.

[00:08:10] Like I met him on the street. We said hello and then I went and met back up with my my ex and my friends at the time and I was like, let's go over to T-Dance and he was in his room in one of those things. Oh, yeah.

[00:08:23] And so I ran upstairs. He's like, hey, do you want to come upstairs? My yes and I handed the phone to Richie. I'm like Richie your cameraman and so I Richie held the phone. I was like, we're gonna do some sex right now. Like I'm getting this done.

[00:08:36] I've been working too hard to try to lay on this boy. He was last that was an iconic scene. It's obvious. It was viewed over like I think we finally hit over a million views

[00:08:46] on that clip and yeah, I felt so the thing about it was all my walls came down once I finally spoke to him and obviously we spoke prior like he ditched his friends at T-Dance and we like we were like

[00:08:58] texting and it came like we talked before we even started that scene and then like I honestly felt so safe with him and that's what it was. I was like this isn't somebody that's going to try to utilize my image for his benefit.

[00:09:10] It's like this is going to be like a collaborative effort and he's also going to be a friend like we are chemistry just cut. I felt chemistry right off the bat. My work for stands for itself.

[00:09:19] It wasn't like hey, I'm just someone like yeah, can we just get this done? Like it wasn't like hey, like I'm obviously going to use you for this content. There was there was definitely a chemistry towards it.

[00:09:27] Yeah, and I noticed that when we did start like talking stuff. I got to see his DMS and I immediately saw why he would avoided messaging like to come over and stuff like that. His DMS are full of like the top tier porn stars who were like,

[00:09:41] hey, I want to put the biggest penis you've ever seen into you and it's and I I got to approach a guy. They weren't necessarily the best and not saying that's all of them, but I definitely could see a narrative of like I need to

[00:09:56] use you because you will be a nice on my on my thing and No, it's it's there's there's ways to come at me. Like I think it's even funny when I'm in new cities and like I'll be on Grindr, you know, just like seeing what's around,

[00:10:11] you know, and like guys will be like, hey, do you want to grab a cup of coffee? It's like, hey, can we chat like obviously, you know, we're horny on here but like, hey, let's let's let's actually be humans

[00:10:19] and like go grab a cup of coffee and I love that because nine times out of ten. Yeah, I will fuck you after because that's hot to me. It's not just like hey, do you want head exactly and it's hard

[00:10:32] because when you start to get bigger and when you don't start the way you started everyone kind of starts that way. I think I think in our industry everyone wants to start with the like we're scared to meet someone does and eventually they lose it.

[00:10:45] And so that's why when sometimes when you meet people who have huge curated followings, they've kind of gotten it to a little bit of like a meat processing plant in the sense that they're like, yeah, I got this hour-long block for you and did it and

[00:10:59] I don't disrespect that feel like cattle, you know what I mean? Yeah, but comes an industry but you forget that those people who are you are still feeding off of newer performers. And so that's kind of when you do meet up with those new people

[00:11:11] sometimes where the disconnection is like I remember the first time I worked with someone who was using Trimax. I took it personal. I took it was like, yeah, don't find me attractive like, you know, and that had nothing to do with it.

[00:11:24] I know this had nothing to do with it. You know what I mean? Not dropping names, but I know I know nothing to do with whether I'm attractive or not. It's just that's this person's reality and you can't judge it. You know what I mean?

[00:11:35] That's that's just what it is. And so it's I think that's one of the things that's nice about him is even though he's definitely old hat this motherfucker's been around forever. He's you're still very fresh to this in a certain regard. There's been eras.

[00:11:48] I like to think of it as eras like, you know, I was definitely in my chatterbait bare bones, like, you know, just kind of showing myself off and I told you I was like I was it was that

[00:11:57] was a journey of like self-discovery that was like am I going to be found attractive, you know to the world, you know, because I was going through all the bullying and everything that I you know, my childhood and my teenage years just like affirming exactly.

[00:12:10] And I got my affirmation from the internet, you know, like most teenagers were doing, you know, and so then once you know, it was the Twitter error. It was the tumbler. That's when I really got huge was the tumbler error because that was the reblogs.

[00:12:22] I was showing up on straight porn timelines. I was straight, you know showing up on gay timelines and that was the great thing about tumblers where you can re blog be reblogged everywhere. And then so it just kind of was like followed like, you know,

[00:12:35] once tumbler bandit all content Twitter and then that's when I got kind of like the masses, you know, and I think you know, and then eventually, you know, fast-forwarding meeting somebody who was so established in this industry and kind of learning

[00:12:50] from him because I learned so much like my career went to another level because of him and you know be able to trust this person and date this person was even a greater benefit because like you're not working against me. You're working with me.

[00:13:04] I also saw incredible potential with you because there's no one like you. There's nobody and the truth is you earned that privilege like it's it's I can't says that and that that means a lot to me. He's like you worked for this you were homegrown, you know,

[00:13:18] like you did all this. Yeah. Yeah, and it's also like I see how protective you are of your image and that protective person could have never there. I think that person could have stayed in New Jersey his whole life.

[00:13:30] I could have and and lived a smaller kind of career existence. Yeah, I'm proud of you. It takes a lot of guts to do this and it's and it's like that's you know, I mean like I started this when I was 30 and it was terrifying.

[00:13:43] It was it was like a scary scary kind of idea to go do all this and then you realize it's a leap of faith. You kind of have to make if you really want to commit to anything whether you're any type of performer and we already already

[00:13:56] had the thread. We had a lot of really deep talks and in Provincetown that really like made me love him more and like I was emotionally like a wreck the stuff that he was telling me. He was just like you you deserve more, you know, you deserve more

[00:14:08] than just doing what you're doing in Jersey. You deserve to have people have a face to you deserve to be out here in Los Angeles getting gigs and and that really stuck with me and that was like my motivation.

[00:14:19] Like I think it was, you know, what was it a month after like I was like, oh no, I have plenty, you know, I have plenty of money. Let's do this. Like let's get to LA. I have I have the apartment like I was, you know, scouting people

[00:14:31] to find a location so I can get to LA like he really put the flames of the fire under my ass. And I say not even just to you. I say that to just any performer like it's it's that's the you

[00:14:42] never know unless you try like, you know what I mean? Being a person who grew up in rural New Mexico being a person who grew up in the sticks in New Jersey. I we have a kinship like that and I remember coming to New York

[00:14:55] seeing my career Blossom and then moving to LA and seeing it explode like it's so funny because when. We did the first interview. We were like in that I want to say like purgatory time like it was like we were fresh back. I was fresh back from P-Town.

[00:15:09] I was like crazy head over heels for this one and I was like, is it going to work? Is the LA move going to work like there was like you probably saw it in the interview like there was so much uncertainty

[00:15:19] like I was like, oh, I'm thinking about doing this and then this is in the early stages and I'm you know, I'm talking to these people and it was very much in like career purgatory where I was like everything I'm saying all this is going to happen.

[00:15:30] But did it actually is it going to actually happen and it did? Yeah, so right so far. So good you you you did the reality TV show. So go go go go for gold on our TV.

[00:15:39] Yes, that was what you so season one or season two of season two. Yes, so we did that in September and then that I think we did our interview like what it was July August. It was July.

[00:15:50] Yeah, so it was fresh off P-Town and I was flying back and forth but you didn't know you were doing that. I did. Okay. No, no, no that just happened to appeared. Yeah, he he talked to one of his connections and so basically

[00:16:05] that propelled me like that was like being on set that was getting a real taste of like the LA life and I was so blessed that I had him to stay with because otherwise I would have

[00:16:15] to you know, stay in a hotel, you know, my life would have been totally like, you know disarray and once I did the show that was when everything just came in like it was doing the podcast. It was doing the photo shoots.

[00:16:28] It was doing yeah, it was I took I and we had to sit on it like it took forever for it because they did it in September and they just just released. Yeah. Well, I mean 12 hours a day how long okay, so just to give

[00:16:41] people an idea of going from chatterbait going from Tumblr going from Twitter going from you don't really have a porn studio persona yet or bio. So I was learning from him. I was like tell me how these days are going to be.

[00:16:58] He's like you're we're going to get there at 9 a.m. You're going to finish at 9 p.m. Because that's how long they have the studio for and there's going to be a little lunch break, but a lot of sitting and

[00:17:05] a lot are going to be sitting, you know, and retakes like there is reshoots, you know, we'd be in the afternoon. They're like no, I didn't like how that looked. Let's do a reshoot eat. Make sure you eat something. Don't do the bulimic model thing on these things.

[00:17:18] Yeah, don't I know you I know you want to look your best and you think not eating is going to help it's just going to make you and I was going to the you know, we were allowed to we weren't sequestered.

[00:17:29] We were allowed, you know, we were allowed to use our phones and it was me calling him like really in bad moments where I didn't mean to impose my insecurities, but it was like everything was coming out like especially for instance.

[00:17:41] There was an episode where it was the pole dancing challenge and I've never pulled in today in my life and I was petrified and I was calling him. I was calling his ex Marco who was like the big brother

[00:17:52] to me and I was like guys what the fuck am I going to do because this is going to be on tiktok. This is going to be on Instagram. This is going to be on Twitter. This is going to go viral. I'm going to look stupid.

[00:18:01] I'm in the beginning of my career, you know, and it's going to be like there's going to be a bobo the clown noise in the background like and that I was like do I walk off

[00:18:10] and like just be like I can't do this and I told you you never do that. Do you never never if you want tensions were high with us because I'm screaming we went full Jersey at each other on the phone. I wish we had the phone clips.

[00:18:20] I honestly would get would have given them and I love And I'm screaming at him. He's hanging up on me because I'm being like way too much and in that moment, I know I'm being way too much

[00:18:32] and I wanted an answer for him to say, you know what? Okay quit but he wasn't giving me that answer. So I was fighting back and whereas like it was kind of like I had the devil and the like the angel cuz like Marco

[00:18:45] totally understood like he was like listen, I get it. You are so protective of your image and what you put out there and this is not going to be curated by you. So they're going to just if they put that bobo the clown,

[00:18:57] you know sound effect that's going to go viral and if you don't want that to happen say, you know what? Thank you, but no, thank you. I'm done and I was he was like boo-boo the fool. Boo. Yeah, the boo-boo the fool music but the truth is their

[00:19:10] storytellers reality television is storytelling good bad ugly. You need to give them the story. Yeah, and the more honest you are the better you're going to be portrayed. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, and the truth is you can spin it like if you have

[00:19:25] a good attitude, they will get truly it's a reality TV is a leap of faith and you just have to take it but if you refuse to do it if you throw a fit if you want to kind

[00:19:35] of die on a hill you will die on a hill, you know what I mean? And they will cut you out and they were in a corner on a phone with seriously and you and we're not going to names on that either but you saw people who threw

[00:19:45] a fit and walked off and they didn't get the fit at it. They didn't get any of that stuff. They got the quick cut. Yeah, because I kind of feel like I'm not familiar with the channel out TV.

[00:19:59] But I'd like to think that if you're doing it on a reality TV show on a exclusively gay Channel, it would probably be a little more less real housewives, you know less for that like you're trying to build something and hopefully we'll get off like toxic now stop.

[00:20:19] No, no, you're not a talk. I came off. I'm not at all and I came off every genuine and my fans love that like they're like there's no ego with you. You were very you were there to have a good time.

[00:20:28] You were there to genuinely show off what you can bring to the world and I was I was fresh in LA. I didn't you know, there was no ego. I was like hi guys. I'm you know, the four foot six mostly dick guy from

[00:20:40] Jersey, you know, and I think great literally for six mostly. Thank you. Thank you Eddie Eddie. That was Eddie's tag. That was Eddie at 7 in the morning on the way to set and I was like, um, Eddie, I need a tagline.

[00:20:54] Yeah, and all we hear is dead silence on the phone and an inhale of a cigarette and he goes give me a minute and I'm like, okay Buddha and so he's like did it four foot six and mostly dick and mean him were like died in the car.

[00:21:13] We were driving to Burbank. We were literally driving to Burbank when he gave it. So we have to give him that credit. That is it's too good of a line. Shout out to Eddie. You saved my life. Yeah, Eddie, Eddie Carmen Sandiego. Yeah, Eddie Carmen Sandiego.

[00:21:25] So basically, yeah, and then that stuck they loved that at the studio and and I think I even said in the promo video was like my friends told me to break a leg good thing. I brought a third and I tried to do the whole Cardi B

[00:21:37] thing and it was really fucking funny. I have to work on my email. Yeah. Yeah, so but I mean it was thanks to Eddie for that because I was I was a wreck just showing up to set in general let alone thinking of a catchphrase.

[00:21:49] So yeah, and then the point then so with the pole dancing challenge, I had the two strippers from Portland help me on set. They literally took me outside. We were on the streets of Burbank like I wish they showed this because this was iconic.

[00:22:05] This would be like that great Allah like untucked material. So 30 minute episode. So yeah, so um, so we're out on the streets of Burbank and they're literally teaching me how to like attempting to teach me how to pole dance on like these like the parking signs. It's tough.

[00:22:21] Yeah, and like we're in parking meters parking the parking's like almost stop signs, you know, the lamp posts and like I wear it scruff speedos like skimpy skis gruff sponsored the episode Johnny scruff was there everything and like. Oh, that's his last crap. Yeah.

[00:22:43] So basically and then I almost like causing like a car accident because people are losing their minds. Also, it's probably out there somewhere. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's true. Have the footage please send it to me. But yeah, and then also like another challenge was

[00:23:00] we can say it now because you know it wrapped and the season finale just aired. It was the lap dancing challenge. That's where my mobility really came in and I and that's what I always touched on in my confessionals is was I am not an able-bodied individual there,

[00:23:15] you know, I'm people are like you're not handicapped. You're not disabled and I'm like, yes, I am handicapped to a degree, you know, I do have the most mobile form of dwarfism which is achondroplasia and I don't need

[00:23:25] crutches I can work out I can you know do you know normal able-bodied individuals, you know, what every the everyday people do but there are limitations with me and that in turn was the you know a lap dance

[00:23:41] you need you do need a lot of mobility if I'm performing one on, you know, Joel I'm gonna have to make it sexy. I'm gonna have to make it fun and it's going to involve me from going to the floor shaking my ass at him and

[00:23:52] then going on his lap and making it a thing and so and also to do it on a tall man like I was winded like I look back I can't even look back at that performance because I still have secondhand embarrassment and

[00:24:05] people are like it's not as bad as like, you know, you got the really good edit on it and but I hear myself like halfway through the performance like like, okay, let's let's get let's keep making this look good.

[00:24:17] And it looked it looked clunky and I even said I tear myself apart for it because I just I also had the unfair advantage but you know what I schlepped it up and I was like, you know what I'm gonna do this

[00:24:28] because I'm not a quitter, you know at that point I was like, you know what I'm top six at that point. I was gonna say and also everyone wants to win. I know this from being nominated. Yeah a lot. Yeah a lot everyone wants to win.

[00:24:40] Yeah, not everyone wins. You know what I mean? It's the ride and top six. Exactly. I was going to say you had a great ride in that you were the heart of the season. Yeah, like you know what I mean? It's hard.

[00:24:52] The great thing about it is is other aspects of it. Like we did fucking smart. That was so much. Yeah. Oh because it's kind of like family. It's like dirty family. So give us an idea of what fucking smart is. That was fun. That was through Topher.

[00:25:05] Shout out to our good friend Topher. Topher. We love you at Daddy TV. Daddy TV we love you. But Topher was really cool. He was one I had been speaking with for a while and he had already done one season of fucking smart

[00:25:17] and it's with Sophia, Sophie Success and Willem Belay and Sapphire Slay and they were phenomenal. They're a crew that works together a lot. So they're your they have their own amazing banter, but then getting to jump in with them was really cool and it's fun questions.

[00:25:34] It's fun queer dirty. Yeah sex trivia. It's you win a butt plug like again. I'm not going to say who won the butt plug. It has it hasn't aired yet. It has okay. It's available to stream on AlTV. Okay. So somebody yeah, yeah, they have to watch it.

[00:25:50] They have to go. Where do they go to watch it? They can go on the AlTV. It says on all streaming services AlTV.com. It's available on Apple TV Roku TV and the UK on fruit TV. And I know that because I was constantly promoting all of it.

[00:26:01] So I'm like a self-promo machine. We had to do a who does the best fake orgasm? And so what we need him though. No, no, no, no, we want your opinion. Yeah, who does the best organism? Was it me and Willem or him and Sophia?

[00:26:15] I'm just saying I need your opinion. All right, so you got to reach out to them reach out. Yeah, while all this is happening Joel you're out there too. You're you're kind of putting putting KD all together, right? Helping him out in LA and stuff.

[00:26:31] You're managing your career as well. What's happening at the same time while he's while he's on the show me doing studio stuff. I've continued to do studio a lot of studio porn and that's amazing. I've been doing a lot of bi porn trans.

[00:26:46] He's did some really gorgeous gorgeous stuff. He just did it. He actually just did a video that still takes my breath away. It was date night with this really great studio. Yes with four play films. I did date night, which is an independent film create porn film creator.

[00:27:01] Okay, it's a mostly for women. Okay, but cinematography on it is Gore. I can't stop fangirling over it. I really I really it really is beautiful. It's a beautiful. It's a beautiful scene. We're both wearing suits and it you know, I it just tells you

[00:27:15] like how much so little can go in porn like they had rented a really cool space me and the other performer were wearing suits and they had a cinematographer there and it was just you know what I mean?

[00:27:26] It was I see how it's for women because it has a very seductive tone to it. It's not that like let's get to the action like most gay men. Yeah, it's like, you know, you're playing they were playing

[00:27:35] cards or playing a card game then they're watching a movie and that's kind of like the height of the passion and like it was listen if it wasn't porn like if that wasn't classified as porn, I was like I would love to do that, you know, because

[00:27:45] it was so sexy and you can you can and you will yeah, that's the great thing and that's what I tell like every performer. It's like I am a certain year in the jump every year every year. I've met you this career has gotten bigger.

[00:28:00] Yeah, you know what I mean? It's gotten bigger like gotten better. It's like little time capsules. Yeah. Yeah, and that one of the and that's one of the reasons I love your interviews as I look back on number one like I'm

[00:28:11] I think I'm wearing a tank top in all of them. Am I wearing a tank top in your every? Yeah, I think so. I think so. Jill someone brand right? I just go to show my arms off but but true but truly if you

[00:28:22] can last in this industry and I mean survive it and that's the hard thing too is like the people who don't make it like there are people in our industry who die like an end once I started working with lots of trans performers.

[00:28:39] It makes you realize how grateful you are to have your footing and have your kind of found family and yeah, I know I have a really different level of gratitude. So I always say that that's like if you really want to embrace

[00:28:54] this business put all of it into it go balls out, you know what I mean? Like I was telling you the space we're in right now. We just dressed it for the the Diane Sawyer interview set up put the bed in here.

[00:29:05] We can film a porno like you don't need it. You just like it put if you have creativity in you whatever it is put it towards this job. Show me the receipts. Show me the receipts. Show me the receipts.

[00:29:16] You can make it work anyway and a room is kind of like a person like anything, you know, you can you have to be able to adapt creative direction. Yeah, like I am blown away like the stuff we've done whether

[00:29:30] it be like little like first wake up in the morning like let's make this like, you know cozy. We're both waking up. Let's have we're having like morning sex. He wears a CPAP machine and I've never seen a porno with a CPAP machine on it.

[00:29:42] And he was like, but that's so real though. I'm half asleep some mornings like obviously at his apartment. We're sleeping. We're waking up and there's fucking lights on she's ready to go because he'll be up at 530 in the morning and I like

[00:29:55] to get my sleep and I'm like everything was set up. Oh, yeah. He's like passed out with his machine on. I'm like baby. I'm milking you this morning. Yeah already hands on my morning would he's like, yep. We're gonna get that load out. I'm like, it's okay.

[00:30:09] Yeah, yeah. Yeah, just relax. Oh, yeah community's gonna love it. Is it out there already? Oh, it's awesome though. He's wearing the machine is like, yeah, and I mean I'm getting oxygen shoved down my throat. So it's a very like high intensity like, you know, I'm number one.

[00:30:28] I'm like still working. I'm still probably still in fucking REM like so I'm like it's he knows this is all true because I'm like out of it. I'm like and I look gross. I mean, it's this is not a Beyonce.

[00:30:39] I woke up like this moment, you know, it's like you're pretty sexy. Yeah, that's why I hit it in the morning. So like I can't like hear me what I'm saying because it's all Darth Vader. What? Yeah. Yeah, so he's just taking control.

[00:30:53] He's like, you just lay there like I'm just gonna take control. I'm like, okay and he goes balls to the wall and people love it. Like the videos come out so funny, but they get there so hot like people are like I've never seen fucking this is CPAP

[00:31:06] porn and it's so hot. I feel like that's the difference with a model like like Joel to be honest with you because your your photography like the people you work with like you give everybody a chance which is cool because the what you can do with someone else.

[00:31:26] You don't know unless you make it happen exactly and some people don't they don't they're not behind some big Hollywood studio. They're not behind some big porn studios or anything like that and they have a shitload of creativity in them too.

[00:31:41] And that collaboration that's one of the things I've learned about this recently is the collaboration between the models is one thing but if you're a camera guy to or you're doing cinematography directing or whatever it is, you're collaborating with these people too.

[00:31:57] And I've seen so much footage out there so many people out there so many models that just grab I always say it's you know, there's a cameraman and then there's a guy holding the camera. It's not the same thing.

[00:32:06] No, but you know and I'll even speak to that too. It's like, you know what if a dude on grinder reaches out to me and wants to film my stuff for free. Yes, I do that all the time to the king of that.

[00:32:16] He's only think the only thing with that is you will see me like giving direction while I'm fucking like which when I first started filming for Cutler X and I was his cameraman he would cut all that out but he'd be literally ripping

[00:32:26] someone apart with his humongous wiener. He's like, I need you to go underneath and get the like giving like it like I see myself doing that now like I'll be like middle of I'm like I need you to like go from behind and

[00:32:40] get the penetration which I think is I think it's funny. I think it's also part of the theater of what this is because truly someone wants to be that character in this role as well like someone like I remember that was also me when I but

[00:32:53] my pre-porn life like my a lot of my porn is based off of like masturbatory nostalgia when I first discovered porn and sexuality was like I think it was like a Sean Cody video where's these two crazy hot dudes and all of a sudden the

[00:33:06] cameraman's in there blowing him and he's clearly not one of those dudes, but you're like, you know exactly remember that video, you know what I mean? And that moment you're like, okay, this is different. Yeah, like, you know, I mean, it's it's there's a certain

[00:33:20] certain theatrical quality to it that if you embrace it and make it part of the natural process, like I did a video where there was a grinder guy and I put right in the goofy Joel someone interview like hi, I'm Joel someone. Hi, I'm Kyle.

[00:33:31] Well and that motherfucker is off of grinder. We are being filmed by some random motherfucker who just said he wanted to film this but that's a great thing about him is he brings that like versatility in that personality

[00:33:43] like and he could be the one that would get somebody off grinder and like to record a scene, you know, and that's what like that's his brand. See, yeah, I know what you're saying there sometimes though

[00:33:54] when I watch porn and I think to myself but move I want to see I cuz they're cuz you're almost there, you know, you almost have the shot and then all of a sudden it's not there and you find yourself kind of lifting yourself up but nothing's

[00:34:07] going to change like it's already shot. So so that was my biggest thing with that. But again, like your photographers your photo shoots the studios you work with they're all over the place and I feel like that versatility allows you to become first of all more

[00:34:24] well liked in the industry because you're easy to work with obviously you can work with anyone tell me a little bit about for instance. Okay, so you did some by porn you did some you've done some trans studios or trans. Yeah, I've done several trans studios.

[00:34:38] Don't make me for a woman. That's all the art. We're not going to get into the playbook. But yeah, what's can you tell me a little bit about was adorable do you get hate? I know that we started that's and that is actually exactly

[00:34:52] what he was referencing the door right to know it's hard because like we live in a society where it's very polarized online and the things I'm doing mean a lot more to some people than they sometimes mean to me.

[00:35:04] Yes, and that's and that's not saying I don't love or respect my work. One of the reasons I do everything is you never know what's going to land, you know, you never know what is going to be your opportunity or your doorway or window into something else

[00:35:18] into success into creativity into something that go viral now. Yeah, you don't know. You don't know. He just did. I mean besides our stuff our stuff does extremely well and I'm so grateful because ours we post it and it blows up within the

[00:35:32] hour and like he just did like he did a call back to his gag the fag and it was with a co-worker of my it's even says that in the video. I guess this is what I'm King Dorf's key co-workers and I brought

[00:35:42] one when I got on we dance shout out to Han love you, babe. We dance at hot dogs Sundays together and he's a really good friend of ours. And I mean that video I've seen blow up because it's a throwback

[00:35:53] to gag the fag which is you know, a little bit problematic and it nowadays but it was something that really meant something to me back in the day like back in the day. Like what is this? This is did this isn't like anything else but you know, like

[00:36:05] I said, it's polarizing in the sense that you know, some people have a visceral reaction to it. Yeah, and some people don't like it. So someone who's seen me in my Mormon boy or family dick storylines were like that's the dad.

[00:36:17] He is the dad seeing me then be in a different storyline or Being a different genre of porn entirely will sometimes throw people and if you want to be turned off by it, I'm really sorry. I am I'm deeply sorry that whatever I did turned you off.

[00:36:31] Don't watch it. Why are you watching this? Yeah, go you know what I mean? You don't need to you don't need to watch this and you don't need to follow me. I'd appreciate if you did I really would but you don't need to it's not like a need.

[00:36:44] I understand that there's a whole kind of like movement of people to where their creativity is their kind of trolliness and I'm not even saying it as like a diss or anything like that. Some people that they don't have the kind of ability to go out

[00:36:58] and have a creative outlet for that. That is their creative outlet them creatively trying to shut me down. Is that thankfully I have the wherewithal to withstand it. That's why it's really hard for me now that I work with people

[00:37:11] who are like maybe don't maybe someone who's on the fringe. They're beautiful, but they're struggling. This job is sometimes a little overwhelming for them and they do read into people's comments that those are the people I feel for and you handle Twitter very well.

[00:37:26] I gotta say like I gotta like I don't handle it period like he is very like don't respond to that person. Here's my new project. I put up call it a day retweeted a couple times like can we tweet his studio stuff?

[00:37:38] It is like he even like mentioned he's like you are more so very good. You'll put everything out there where he keeps like a very curated image of like I'll be like guys. Oh my God, this just happened to me at such and such, you know,

[00:37:49] I feel a way about it, you know, and people engage with that because they know I'm known for that with him. He's like I wouldn't put that out there. Oh, no, no, no, because that's just gonna that's just trolls

[00:37:59] that's gonna that's gonna open the door to and I and I like the contrast between us because he's very like it just goes back to like I'm all work and I'm not going to put the personality on Twitter. Nope.

[00:38:11] Like well, it's not even I put my personal you do you do I don't put the personal the personal and it's but I don't disrespect that about you. Honestly, that's something I very much admire about you. It's something that I only the only reason I say that is

[00:38:24] sometimes, you know, when you put something out there that is personal and you are feeling a certain way about it. Yeah, the person who responds is going to be the person you don't want to respond. Yeah, the hundred million people in the world that you would

[00:38:36] take advice from aren't going to respond. It's gonna be that one motherfucker. It's like you you would have something to say about it. You know, I mean and that's how I look at it. Sometimes is when it is something personal just imagining

[00:38:48] to say to that person whose advice you don't want to fucking here and that's what sometimes happens. The other part of it is to the people who do that kind of trolling. You aren't the first person they did today. You're not the 15th person they've done today.

[00:39:02] They are going from comment to comment to comment and just like creativity. They're trying to see what hits they're trying to see who's going to elevate them. And then when it doesn't hit they go into their boyfriends DMS and mine aren't like fucking a mess already and they'll

[00:39:16] be like, you know, Joe's gonna leave you for a woman. I leave you for a woman or a trans boy. It's going to be a trans every time he does a trans for a trans film. I get yep.

[00:39:25] He's gonna leave you for a trans and then when he does a but it's like it's literally like hot every time a new scene comes out. I'll get a DM from somebody. Yeah, I had a I had a conversation in my messages about the

[00:39:36] last interview we did because you had just started doing by porn and this guy's like Yeah, well and then this guy was like a huge fan of yours and he was like, oh I'm a bit thrown off and I'm like, well, this is performance. It's also fantasy.

[00:39:52] It's there's so much that goes into it. If we're not allowed to kind of like comedians, right? If we're not allowed to say what we want to say in a comedic performance or act the way we want to in a fantasy, what do we have left?

[00:40:04] Like if we can't it's just it's that moment, right? Like nobody nobody really wants to get raped but people have a rape fantasy right have so it's not necessarily saying, okay, I want this but sometimes there's outlets that you need to have and some of them are sexual.

[00:40:20] Fine. And also it's about to if you like me if you like me if you really like me and if you really like my boyfriend you want us to succeed. Yes, the end of the day we want to be in our bag.

[00:40:33] I want to make this a feasible career. I want to make this to where I can make a living and I want to succeed. If you really believe that for me, then you will support the fact that I am trying to do things to gain momentum in my

[00:40:47] career completely. I want more. I'm not afraid to admit it, you know what I mean? And being one thing is cute. I'm glad it's it's you know what I mean? I don't want to put him in a box and that's something I loved

[00:40:59] about him is when I first met him is like he does everything, you know, and his business mantra is so admirable because he's like, you know, that's money left on the table. That is a gig that is I'm not in that I could have been in

[00:41:12] that can take off that can go viral and you know, it's it's I didn't win a Gavian award for gay porn. I didn't I know it was you know what I mean? It was your bi scene.

[00:41:22] I didn't I did not win a Gavian award for for gay porn. I would love to I would absolutely love to I didn't I want it for bi porn. You know what I mean? And that fucking means something very hot scene by the way. Thank you.

[00:41:36] It was the second time I was with a woman. Vanessa Vega was fucking incredible. Awesome. You know what I mean? Yeah, and it's one of those things that like Emma I look at this as a journey.

[00:41:47] If you stick and do the exact same thing all the time, that's fine. If you like the safety of things, I appreciate that. That's not my existence. I want to know people better. I want to see other people's life experiences because I think

[00:42:01] they are beautiful and relevant, you know what I mean? And so I think that's I think that's all part of the journey. I still prefer to be with man in like as a relationship as a relationship when it comes to the daily. I like being with a man.

[00:42:15] Sorry trolls. You know what I mean? Like having a partner having someone who to look after me when I'm not feeling well for you having someone who I can call on a bad day is this man. Yeah, you know what I mean at the end of the day?

[00:42:27] It's that period. Well, she you know, just so you guys know you've reached halfway point in this episode. If you contact either of us on DM more likely me he has a deeper DM than I do. I'll send you a DM. He is a balls deeper DM.

[00:42:48] It's DM me and I will send you an Easter egg drop box link to you know, what a video of us fucking how about that? If you get a video of us, I will send you a video of us doing

[00:42:59] sex to each other if you DM my Twitter, okay? Yes, I know and it's very well eloquently said, you know, that's his career. He wants to delve into those different branches. Well, and you lived a niche life.

[00:43:11] You lived a life that was niche and you took it to the extent you really did and that's admirable and that's amazing and that's super cool and your trolls could be super fucking pleased about it. That's amazing.

[00:43:23] But the second you stepped out of your niche the second you started working with others the second you started collaborating you had rocket fuel in your veins. Yeah, and I don't even just say that about my boyfriend. I say that about any performer.

[00:43:37] Yeah, if you step out of your comfort zone, you don't know where you can go with it. It could be the sky is the limit literally literally in this industry and I'm not the type of person who's going to

[00:43:46] then tell you to worry about your trolls as I look into the camera. I'm not going to tell you to worry about your trolls. I'm not going to say well, what about your image as a gay porn actor? Yeah, no gasp, you know what I mean?

[00:43:57] Like I I'm not going to do that. That's not fair. That's what someone who doesn't give a fuck about your career would say someone who wants you to stay exactly where you are will say that there's no gross and that's the biggest thing

[00:44:08] is that our relationship is like, you know, we're both each other's cheerleaders like, you know, he'll be doing he'll be doing this news, you know this new film and I'll be like, you know what it's going to be an easy day. Don't get in your head.

[00:44:18] You're going to kill it. We need to also mention Marco Napoli. I'm sorry. Marco Napoli is still in the fold. I can't I mean he's still like a my partner and he's still he's like a great friend. We still share a place together when he's in town.

[00:44:30] We sleep like Bert and Ernie next to each other. Like he's he's my best. I'm sorry. I have to make that very cute platonic because he's a huge cheerleader for him as well, especially because they've both done the studio journey. Yeah.

[00:44:41] Yeah, you guys are really brothers at this point like me and him are brother it harkens back to like there's such history there and I love to see that because you know their careers both took off, you know, and they really both there was growth

[00:44:54] for each other and they both helped each other and I hear all the stories of like how they got through really fucking really difficult times together and now it's it's you know, when I jumped into the fold I see, you know, the brotherhood and

[00:45:05] it's like one big queer family. I mean that's one we were so when you watch your scenes together, we're basically brothers doing it. So hopefully that like colors the narrative for you differently Marco Napoli is my brother. Marco's Marco's good. He's amazing.

[00:45:19] He's living half the time in Europe. Like he's constantly in London and Barcelona and every which fucking place. Yeah. You know, he's he's goals. He's hashtag goals. I said it his life is Rick goals for me. He's and we love him.

[00:45:33] And like I said, he really did like when I was yelling at his ass hanging up on him and saying you're not fucking quitting that show. He called Marco and he's like, yeah, oh, yeah. Can I have some help? Yeah.

[00:45:44] Yeah, it was definitely the voice of Marcus to definitely the voice of reason we because I get emotional with him because I love him and it's like the love the love like we're Jersey a time. I'm from fucking Jersey.

[00:45:55] The Italians going to come out, you know, I flipped the table and I start screaming and he starts screaming back and I'm like, you know what fuck this and we don't do that that much. No, you're not that.

[00:46:03] You're not that type of that that bad but with Marco it was more that big brotherly type thing which I needed to hear. He's like, you know what if you need to do that? That's you but I'm going to tell you not to and day one day

[00:46:16] one of meeting you the day one of meeting you. I said Marco Napoli is going to be in my life as long as he wants to be cool. Like, you know what I mean? We are we are that's great. He is my best friend.

[00:46:26] I love and we are beyond best friends. Sometimes text all the time. It's it's it's really great. He's like I like he's a big brother to me and it's such a great family. Well good that makes me feel good, but that's another question

[00:46:35] people always ask me to like how do you live with your ex? I never I know that's one of the things honestly where I'm like you can't you can't I can't bring myself unless it's unless it's mentioned or said so I can't be like well what's

[00:46:49] going on relationships are very complicated and also very Interesting and layered and people are like people would be like, oh, how do you feel about him still living with his ex? Like does that bother you and I'm like no and I text Marco every fucking day.

[00:47:01] Yeah, what do I think they're like fucking again like in its secret in their apartment like baby, it's not that deep. Yeah, people looking in isn't that interesting? Yeah, the way they see things right the way they perceive but it's funny. It's like the hottest or the pot.

[00:47:15] You know that you know that oh, yeah. Yeah, I find it amusing. What if Marco is something going on? Like why is it why isn't King Dwarf there with that like and they get they travel together separately without me too. They've gone to Atlanta without me.

[00:47:30] They've gone to Austin without me. These guys have traveled together with each other. Yeah, and I love that. I love because I know they're protecting each other, you know, like I trust no one more so than my life than Marco. Yeah, you don't want to be trips.

[00:47:42] We do together are really really fun. I mean, I've gotten to see so many great places like we just did Austin like it was what a month ago now like we did Austin Texas together and I was there for a go-go gig.

[00:47:52] He flew in to join me and it was a really good time like, you know, we ate out we saw the city. It was just it's so fun having that companion especially like that big brother type figure to be there with you. You two haven't had sex yet.

[00:48:05] I kind of want you to like I would want them to do a scene. He loves Frances. I love I want to fist him. Yeah, I'm getting like huge in the fisting. That's my new term by the way, Frances. Frances. Oh, I loved it.

[00:48:16] I love making friends fuck. Oh, I do like look when I go to a club and I see two friends together that are like girlfriends. I'm like, I want to make you guys fuck like the ones who would

[00:48:25] never fuck it's like the two they're like no work girlfriends. Honey. I'm like, no you want to hit this. I want you both. He makes it happen. Apparently I have not witnessed yet, but apparently it's happened that sounds like a good studio idea. I'm good.

[00:48:38] Oh, no, I've already called it's out there. Okay out there if you want to make a site for a Joel someone made up the term. Sorry speaking of that speaking of studio speaking of like next year, right? What's what do you guys want to do?

[00:48:50] Are you planning stuff together? Where do you see yourself? Where do you see yourself in another year? You know the one thing that's been I've been baking in a little space for us because the one thing that's really nice is we're

[00:49:01] both really strong performers and we have very strong opinions and stuff. And so like having little bits of space. I miss missing him like it's the kind of thing that when I when we're away from each other the second I get back to you.

[00:49:14] Yeah, I want to spoil you. I want to hold you like we haven't seen each other for like a week in the second. I'm like we're going to see a show tonight. We're gonna have a date and just like it's I like that.

[00:49:23] I love I love romance and I love romancing this person who I absolutely love he does he does I think there's la has been really generous to me. I'm I'm I still wake up every day there and I'm like, I don't

[00:49:36] believe I live here like it's so wild like Saturday. I'm going back and it's like I'm like wow. I have a place to jet off to and that's my home in LA and it's like it doesn't feel real. I'll be completely honest with you.

[00:49:49] I look outside and like it doesn't still feel real to me and it's only been it just was it just hit six months that I've been living out there and so to go back and to you know, keep

[00:49:59] working and there's so much that's like in store and like, you know, we and you're getting bookings now like people you're flying to North Carolina. I know you're flying to West Virginia West Virginia flying to Vegas Vegas. It's going to be Portland.

[00:50:11] It's it's you know, my schedule is filling up and it's a great feeling. What is it filling up with you're not doing Studios yet, right? It's not Studios. It's more so go-go gigs. It's meet and greets. It's people.

[00:50:20] Yeah, and it's like getting to have fun all night and you know put a show on the box or the stage wherever I'm at like I met some really great promoters and they do great parties and you

[00:50:30] know, and then when I'm back home in LA, I still do you know hot dog Sundays and you know that that's my you know day-to-day work when I'm out there living in LA and those are the great

[00:50:38] places where I can just put on a show and the LA people love me there, you know, what is it going to take for a studio to get you in a scene? Um, I think I really he I don't mean to answer for him.

[00:50:52] That's a loaded question because I think there's still much potential in reality TV. I was gonna say he's been like I not to say not to say anything would shut down your career nowadays. Yeah, truly. We're at the point where everyone does everyone does everyone does.

[00:51:08] Okay, you laid the foundation. It's true. Danny Daniels. But the truth of it is yeah is he's been getting courted by Like reality people. He's been getting courted by by TV TV and not to say that porn is that I love being in porn porn is amazing.

[00:51:22] Yeah, I wouldn't start him there. Yeah, you know what I mean? I would I would say there is other places we need to look into said it many times like I'm going through I'm getting I'm going to an agency and on that dough that are that is my

[00:51:37] immediate plans is getting an agency working with having somebody you know, who knows my what my images and how to market me correctly and and that's what I really want to find and I'm in the stages of doing that and that is the next step.

[00:51:51] You're also beyond your sex. You're you're beyond just being for sex. Yeah, and not saying that porn is only sex. There's there's plenty of it that has very playful qualities and stuff but you are more than just your sex and it's still

[00:52:03] great because I have the versatility of doing that that show like I was doing Google for the gold. I'm doing the press junket for that. I'm doing all that and then it was still fun to go on Twitter

[00:52:13] and you know, take a nude selfie and be like, hey guys, I'm super fucking horny. What's up? I still have that versatility because you know, and I can still be myself because with reality stars nowadays. Yes, you can have an only fans and show the other side of

[00:52:27] yourself, you know, and then there's the nerd side of myself, you know, I'm in my apartment in LA, you know streaming on Twitch and that's you know, and it's like I have so many layers to me and I don't want him to come from my bag.

[00:52:41] Truth you heard it here. The truth is I'm like, I need you to stay out of my work. I'm just kidding. Yeah, you're getting all my kids bitch. No, but no and it's I don't think studio is the right time. You know studios.

[00:52:54] I won't go in through and name them but many approached me at the gay VN's and we spoke to the top people there and they were like listen, we want you in for a scene and we've been trying to like literally texting me from numbers and

[00:53:06] emailing me and I'm like guys, it's just not the right time for me and it's about like you already built an Empire from your sexuality. Yeah, it would be for publicity which you could but yeah, landing reality. You want you so much. Would it? Yeah, that's right.

[00:53:23] If that's what I mean big brother. It's like I live in LA now and I have that like coursing through my veins. I'm right around the corner from the CBS lot. Like I want to be on Big Brother.

[00:53:32] I want to be in the circle in Canada where they film that and I have the connections like I'm talking to people. I'm making the connections and they're like you very well can be on there, you know, and that's my that's my that's my fucking dream.

[00:53:45] So you were as porn was my dream. That was my I see that's what I meant like there you never wanted to get studio you you did your own thing. You don't necessarily need it, but you also necessarily don't want it exactly. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:54:00] Yeah, that's what I meant by that. Oh, yeah. Sorry. I didn't mean it to be loaded. I just I'd be curious if anybody was like hey, I'll give you a million dollars. Yeah. Well, you also work in porn my friend. You know, that's not I know. I know.

[00:54:17] Excuse me. Not 1970s million. I was going to say it was it's almost like Harkins back to like, you know when they tried to get guys for Playgirl and they'll be like, you know, we'll give you an offer

[00:54:26] to finally if I was like never nude and I was just doing this on Google and they're like wow, we really want to see what it was like, you know, we want you to do a full frontal,

[00:54:35] you know, we'll give you X amount of dollars to go full nude would I have done that prompt because it would it would have tapped the exhibitionist in me. It would have tapped the you know, I want to show off

[00:54:44] my body, you know, if I would have never did what I did like 18 year old fresh on the internet, you know showing off my body. Yeah, that would have been a really hard like temptation. I probably would have been like, you know what Jolie I

[00:54:56] want to do this, you know the money's right. Why not? You know, but I can also porn is a one-time payout exactly. It's like so I can't give you this much and then we keep it. I think that would have shot my load to very too early

[00:55:10] and I think I'm edging in my career, you know, it's it's it's people don't and it's funny way to say it's they don't know what's coming next, you know, it's there like they're like I'm getting I'm getting messages that are like now

[00:55:22] we're seeing you on TV and I saw you on just chatterbait with a couple hundred people in your room like the level of growth, you know, and they're like I never expected to see you on a go-go show.

[00:55:32] We'd even know you want you liked go going so it's like I'm constantly throwing stuff at my fans that they're loving, you know, and then it's like the ones that know that I'm a true nerd and I'll be like playing Zelda, you know naked

[00:55:44] what you know and on Twitch. Yeah. Well, you're not on Twitch, but I would go to the only fan and also it's like you forget how you could monetize off of that like you think like any of the drag race girls

[00:55:55] that go into an only fans make a fortune because they were on television. I'm getting this one and like I'm telling him all like I'm like twitch like let's do a couples like stream, you know, and then if we want to do something if you see our twitch

[00:56:07] it's going to be funny because I'm going to be a bumbling idiot. I'm the noob. Yeah one video. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, and I'm like and he knows he loves my nerdiness like, you know, he gets the nerds and it's so funny also

[00:56:18] try to see him interact with them. But that's another story like I love when they like throw like on playing Final Fantasy. What are you up to? And he's like, is that like Street Fighter? Yeah, and he'll fake. Oh, he fakes it really good.

[00:56:30] I fucked a lot of nerds. Oh, yeah. I fucked a lot of nerds. So I'll be with him. It was funny. It was the other day like he was talking to somebody that he had like you slid into his DMs like some some fan and

[00:56:40] it was like yeah, I'm playing Final Fantasy 16 right now. And he's like, what's that? How do I go off of this? Is that the one with Mickey Mouse? Kingdom Hearts baby. So then for you Joel. What's next? Yeah, what's what's what other what studios or what what

[00:56:56] haven't you done yet that you want to do that you want to get into that you want to. Next door. I did work with next door. Okay. Yeah, I was one that was I wanted so bad. Yeah, I finally I finally did a worked with a next door

[00:57:07] studio of us. That's baby and it was it was amazing. You know, it's it's I want him in reality TV. I his reactions and I actually love doing stuff with him and as and I'm gonna literally if there's always an opportunity for us to do stuff together.

[00:57:26] I'm gonna love to bring him along because he is reality TV gold. I think he's he's he gets it out of me. I do this little bastard cuz I dig cuz he has that curated image for porn and I kind of dig beneath the surface.

[00:57:39] I'm like no show me that raw like energy. I have like I write on my on the side. I have my own side projects independent film and all that you would be an amazing independent film. Yeah actor not even just I just say that I've just received

[00:57:54] a really good script from an independent film that was asking and do it. Oh, absolutely find that you can there there's that there's another thing, you know, there are certain there are certain rules where if you put stuff together in your head, you're

[00:58:07] like this person would be perfect for that. Joel always finds a way to get the feel of red free in my hands facial expressions alone. I make them because they're so hilarious. I've stolen them from all my boyfriends every I still I have

[00:58:19] like when I catch something that someone does. I'm like, oh, I like that. I like I like that that face you're making right now myself with my friends. Now I'm doing this like like when I really shut somebody down on like point and check.

[00:58:32] Like, you know and checking chickens or something bizarre. I'm like or just but this is all reality TV as well as just kind of like like like like like the nuances he has like baby don't stifle your like like I want him to make that leap and

[00:58:49] even if it's independent so he could still do his porn career not be confined to what Studios would expect, you know, or look down upon the poor nest. I also know that the path yeah, and I'm sorry.

[00:58:58] I hope I didn't make it sound as all I understand the power of the medium of porn. I get it like it's what it's something that so many people watch so many people don't talk about it's also an aid. It's I'm shocked.

[00:59:13] They haven't come for us because it's one of those things that like as queer people, especially young queer people that was our only outlet to see male sexuality was porn. Yeah, you know, I mean, I know that I am teaching a whole

[00:59:27] Generation of people by being myself and putting out the most genuine version of myself. You can't lie with that kind of stuff. That's important to know and it takes good 10 years to see that generation come up and say hey, you're this person.

[00:59:44] I used to jerk off watching your stuff or I used to do this. That's why staying in it matters. That's why people like my porn dad Cutler X Cutler X has been in it for a while and he gets a whole every generation.

[00:59:56] He gets a different group of people who say hey you yeah, I saw you and they'll be more excited to see him as a celebrity than other celebrities because they're like, you know, because coming to someone that's a whole other experience.

[01:00:09] Like I remember coming to Armand Rizzo and be like and then meeting him. I'm like it's you it's you in real life. It's great, you know, and that was so great doing Google for Gold because I made my whole time on there.

[01:00:27] I'm constantly reinforcing that I was doing this for the dwarves who reached out to me and the disabled community that I'm a part of and they were like never in a million years when I find myself

[01:00:39] doing that never in a million years when I take off my clothes and it just exposed myself to the world like the way you had just the fear of the backlash or the comments of the trolls the hurtful

[01:00:49] Things that they could say and you put yourself out there completely no safety net, you know, let me ask you something. Do you feel that? Because because there's an allure and also like, you know being

[01:01:04] if not the first one of the first doors that that and that's the correct term right? I can get out there doing this. Can you see the possibility of? Because you know, we're in a business that makes money that tries

[01:01:19] to make money and exploit as much as possible. Can you see the possibility of somebody? Another dwarf, let's say just kind of getting taken advantage of by a studio that hasn't been able to get you but will go for something or someone similar to you.

[01:01:39] That's a funny question. That's a funny question for personal reasons, but yeah, I think that the ones internationally who do really want to get into some type of you know, fame and recognition. I think that they may take the offer if it's presented to them

[01:01:58] and I want to and I hope they would reach out to me and kind of like err on the side of caution and I would be more than happy. Honestly, I like can look right in the camera.

[01:02:08] I'd be more than happy to give them a crash course and to still let them be protective of their image to tell them to be to have no matter how good the money is no matter how good the offer, you

[01:02:20] know is and they might have a really sweet offer, you know, and I just want them to have like err on a little bit of caution and remain true to themselves and be comfortable for what they're signing up for, you know, don't do it just because they feel

[01:02:35] pressured to do it because a well-known performer is telling them to do it. You know what I mean? Because I've had that, you know, I like he said I've had talked to your porn people that you know,

[01:02:47] I was like, oh my God, he's in my DMs, you know, and I felt like oh my God if I don't work with him, is this my opportunity gone, you know, and it's not because I hang out with them now. They're my peers.

[01:02:58] I see them every day in West Hollywood and they were like, hey, how are you? We're friends. But that could also be said about any new performer like truly that if you're true 18 years old, you're right and you know what I mean? Like it's abuses abuses abuse.

[01:03:12] You know, I mean, um you you spoke directly to it in the sense that just be as long as you're okay with it as long as it's you know, I mean as long as someone's not going to get in your

[01:03:21] ear and change your mind about it as long as when you sit there you are, you know, I mean these things last forever. You know what I mean? I want this if I'm okay with looking bad sometimes if it's

[01:03:34] something that I really believed in I also when willing to defend I started this career thinking like and also the door you opened you opened a lot earlier than you think, you know what I mean? Just because you're starting a porno doesn't mean that you this path.

[01:03:49] You hadn't started a lot sooner. That's the truth that you need to understand about being a sex worker or a porn performer is that door you opened a lot earlier than you think and worrying about where the next one's going

[01:04:00] to lead you is only going to stifle you if you want it to you know what I mean? If you're really having doubts about doing this look at that. Don't look at the job or let people get in your ear because

[01:04:14] people will and that's what's and that's one of the things that like I said, I'm working on trying to do is like I'm very protective. I don't let anyone penetrate me except they do now. I but like but truly like penetrate me in the sense that like

[01:04:27] their words are getting through and bothering me because I remember kind of almost going on that path. I remember before I did this. I was one of those people that kind of erred on the side of concern even with stupid things like Instagram like someone who

[01:04:40] would do like shirtless selfies on Instagram like just what are people going to say? Like what is your community going to say about your certain the selfie? I'm speaking of terms of dwarves because you know, I know how

[01:04:52] somebody can get, you know used, you know, but totally and you know, and it's it's our story to tell, you know, if we want to put ourselves out there that's you know, that's our privilege

[01:05:04] and so but yeah, I mean if they want to go out there and I want I want to see other dwarves in mainstream if I could see more dwarves in porn if I could see more, you know, I'm applauding

[01:05:14] the ones that are doing their own OnlyFans content, you know, and working with performers and it's it's it's it's it makes me really happy and it also just like with the go-going, you know, they're seeing a dwarf go-go and I'm I want to be the trailblazer

[01:05:30] so I can have more of these people these other dwarves who are petrified to say listen, you know what KD did it. I could fucking do it and I and I've always been on your side and I've always kind of but you just said it also earlier in

[01:05:44] the interview. What if I had met you five years earlier? You know what I mean? It's the kind of thing that like this job is a leap of faith. It's scary, you know what I mean?

[01:05:54] And I and I and I and I I've learned a lot of your perspective with being with you for a year. I think there's a right time for everything. I think I think you know, it's funny because he wasn't even going to take that province town trip.

[01:06:04] There was so much going on in their lives that it was that was like that was a leap of faith that trip, you know and hearing about it was like I could have still never met this guy like and it's funny because like what I've moved to LA

[01:06:20] what I've still been in Jersey. So I believe that things happen for a reason and this happened for a reason this was to get me propel me out of Jersey and bring my career to like like life. Yeah.

[01:06:33] So anyway, I know that was a really long-winded version of the Cocoa. I have a lot going on. Sorry to taper back to it. It's just it's I don't know. I don't know what the next step is. It's every day is such an interesting adventure coming

[01:06:48] back to New York has kind of been a very nostalgic for me in the sense that I get to work with people. I worked with when I was absolutely no one people who gave me a chance and just said hey, let's have a sitting and take

[01:06:58] some photographs and I'm happy to have a name for them to say hey, I'm photographing this person. Whereas before it was like I'm photographing someone. It's at least you're photographing Joel someone now and I think a lot of the future for me is that is I'm trying

[01:07:13] to kind of stay humble and still be that person who doesn't turn down gigs because I think I'm bigger than them. I think everything is an amazing collaboration in life and it's seeing you grow and actually if anything seeing

[01:07:26] my friend come in here after the first time I had worked with you doing this and seeing all your beautiful equipment and hearing about the interviews you've done. It's magical. This job is magical because of the people who do it.

[01:07:39] Yeah, every year that you are on it's there are certain you know, you find your guests you talk to them and you figure out how everything's going to go. Every year has been progression on both ends. But also while I was driving here, I'm thinking to myself.

[01:08:00] Okay, these guys have had a year because you never know what you're going to get because I've seen people that kind of like you said we'll put out a block or say to you after you've flown somewhere after you've driven somewhere.

[01:08:12] I don't know if I have time for an in-person interview, which sucks because I've had it happen. So we're driving here. Oh, yeah, I made a whole province for time. I'm good. Oh, you told me the story. Oh, yeah. So driving here.

[01:08:27] I'm thinking to myself these guys have had a year. Yeah, I wonder how this is going to go. Will they have time when I said I was running late because I was like, oh god, I'm running late. You guys like no worries. You were LA early.

[01:08:38] I was like damn. It definitely was LA early. Oh, yeah, two and a half hours early. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but but yeah, no, I absolutely appreciate it and I enjoy the growth. I've only met you. I know recently, you know why this episode between us is so

[01:08:55] special and I'm going to tell you why because it's the affirmation of everything I put in my first episode with you. Yeah, bring me to tears. Yeah, like I don't know if you have like if you heart on it

[01:09:06] or there was nerves like I didn't know if our relationship was work. I didn't know if you you know, we were going to talk after Provincetown. There was so much uncertainty in that interview and like to see it come full circle into fruition.

[01:09:18] This is a really special episode for me. Cool. I appreciate you guys doing it then because the chairs are also pink. I know I love it. It's a barbie core. It's very you're right. This is a Diane Sawyer, Whitney Houston energy. Show me the receipts Diane.

[01:09:35] But and just to tap it off as well. We've also gone through a lot like I've we've dealt with death this year. We've dealt with we've gone through a lot of shit as well. There's a lot of not great has happened.

[01:09:50] But at the same time, I'm not that type of person like, you know what I mean? I am constantly like clawing to be positive and trying to keep that up because that's really what that's what motivates me honestly, like the positivity for the future and really

[01:10:05] knowing that good things are going to happen and not getting kind of like dwelling on the things that hurt. Yeah, because I want to choose to be. I want to be strong for my boyfriend. I want to be strong for my best friend Marco Napoli.

[01:10:16] I want to be strong for my community. And I also want to show that this isn't an awful career. I want to show that this isn't something that's going to ruin your life. Yep, and that's something also that I've learned to with doing

[01:10:28] the history this year or this season on the podcast, which is amazing. I've learned so much from it. And one of the things I've taken away from it is the fact that there are dirtier things out there than the idea of porn mainstream TV sometimes is dirty.

[01:10:46] Oh, yeah, there so many things like pharmaceutical all the Big Industries are dirtier. Yeah, and everybody wants it's born as much as they do not want to admit it. You'll find it on someone's private server. You'll find it everywhere. This will be fun.

[01:11:01] You guys are gonna this is gonna be you guys are gonna be a little cute, right? We look cute, right? Like we look like I'm saying sure. Okay, so let's let's do if people want to find you okay,

[01:11:15] and where people want you first you if you're living under a rock now, just kidding. So my Twitter handle is at King dwarf NYC. My Instagram handle is at King dwarf official and my only fans is at King.

[01:11:32] My only fans and just for fans are both at King dwarf and also come on shut in my go go career. If you want to see me on Google for the gold season to go to out TV on any streaming service available for you.

[01:11:49] Hi, I'm Joel someone if you want to find me you can find me on one of my relatively new Instagram platforms because I lost another one. I'm Joel underscore someone or follow one of the few fan sites. I have Joel someone euro fans or Joel someone fans which

[01:12:08] I have to Instagram like like what? Yeah, you have fan pages. That's I I'm sorry. I those I love that for sure fan club. I don't know. I you can find me on Twitter at Joel someone one which is also my just for fans handle.

[01:12:25] So Joel someone for just for fans, which if you want to find the good stuff going there, my only fans is my only fans is Joel someone but they are limiting stuff. So everyone knows this if you are a fan of stuff go to just for fans.

[01:12:37] All right, because only fans is doing some nonsense to his Performers right now like they are putting everyone through it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they made their money. They do the performers and then they're like, oh, let's try this. Yeah.

[01:12:49] No, no, I would say find another platform, but I am on there if you have to if you have to go somewhere for me. I'm also available and only fans and go watch us him especially on fucking smart. That's also on our TV.

[01:13:06] So it's a really really fun episode. We really want to know what you think. I don't know who does a better fake orgasm. Thank you very much. Both of you Joel someone KD King dwarf. Thank you. Thank you so much. So much. I appreciate it.

[01:13:18] You guys are you guys are riding it all the way up. I couldn't wait to be back on for another so it's so it's such a full circle moment for me. So thank you. No problem.

[01:13:27] I appreciate it and we can do it again as long as you guys want. I would love to you guys. Well, you should see the hoe I have next to me next season. I'm going to yeah. Cut the cameras dead. Cameras cut the cameras. I love you.

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